Jump to content

How to filter a divided tank

shrimpy1547

By shrimpy1547
in Shrimp Tank Setup

 Share

Recommended Posts

shrimpy1547 Shrimp Enthusiast

shrimpy1547

Posted
Posted

Any suggestions on how to filter a divided tank using a canister filter?

If the intake is at the end of one side, then the rest will not be as filtered?

I'm hoping to use canister filter, so I can use a chiller..

Link to comment
Share on other sites
perplex Shrimp Breeder

perplex

Posted
Posted (edited)

is it a solid divider? or can water pass through it?

 

if its like egg crate with holes, then one each side is fine

Edited by perplex
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Callan Shrimp Lover

Callan

Posted
Posted

You can use plastic mesh which can be purchased in craft shops and you just use a poster framing kit. Like this pic.

ebay_photos_009.thumb.JPG.0dd5834be12a2febay_photos_008.thumb.JPG.30d6cbead34388

Link to comment
Share on other sites
NoGi Shrimp Guru

NoGi

Posted
Posted

I have a divided 4". It's separated by a glass panel with 4 holes and really fine SS mesh. The mesh is great for keeping juvi's in but does significant restrict flow from one side to the other. My intake is in one half with the outlet in the other. What I've ended up doing is removing all filter media from the cannister and just leaving the bio balls and noodles and adding a otto internal filter in both sides.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
shrimpy1547 Shrimp Enthusiast

shrimpy1547

Posted
  • Author
Posted

I use to have a tank divided in 4, and the flow was very restrictive with the mesh....

Link to comment
Share on other sites
jc12 Shrimp Lover

jc12

Posted
Posted

Just a thought... has anyone tried glass dividers with a 1" gap from the base of the tank? If we fill it with 2"-3" deep substrate, would this keep shrimps from travelling between each section? But would flow be an issue then?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
shrimpy1547 Shrimp Enthusiast

shrimpy1547

Posted
  • Author
Posted

I dn't think shrimps will get through, but it will probably restrict flow...

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Callan Shrimp Lover

Callan

Posted
Posted

Just a thought... has anyone tried glass dividers with a 1" gap from the base of the tank? If we fill it with 2"-3" deep substrate, would this keep shrimps from travelling between each section? But would flow be an issue then?

Yes that is how I fitted my glass dividers and the I placed strips of black bio foam under the gap.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
kizshrimp Shrimp Breeder

kizshrimp

Posted
Posted

Yeah, in your backyard doesn't cost too much. You'll probably be quite offended if you ask a glazier for a quote, try an LFS that make tanks perhaps? What side of town are you on? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Glacier Be nice I'm new here

Glacier

Posted
Posted

I'm also looking a getting a new divided tank.

Shrimpy1547 are you trying to stop cross breeding between each half or just more for selective breeding. or shrimp at one end and fish at the other?

NoGi Great looking tank do yours cross breed though the mess?.

When I first started to plan it was just because bigger tanks are more stable and in Melbourne more water should be more of a stable temperature . Then decided not to take the chance of cross breeding. Ended up with a 32inch tank split in two. With a internal filter in each half. It works but it's still two tanks to look after. But the temperature is more stable maybe. My LFS got it made $20 extra for the divider.

This time I plan to put fish at one end and shrimp at the other. So no problems about cross breeding. With the canister filter outlet on the shrimp end. So I’m thinking glass divider with a few coin sized hole about 3 quarters the way up hopefully cover them with filter pads held on with magnets (Magnets are great fun). Above that some small holes in case the pads get blocked. And for a fail safe have the divider 1-2cms sorter than the tank. Which is why I didn't do this the first time as I’m sure one day it will over flow.

Anyone see any problems with this.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
NoGi Shrimp Guru

NoGi

Posted
Posted

My glass doesn't go high enough as they climb over. If I was to do it again I would have had it go to the top and had 3 more holes drilled. My current 3 just don't provide enough flow from one side to the other.

I split mine for selective breeding as I have blue gene chocolate cherries and am trying to get the blue strain going but to date no one has been successful in getting them to breed true and it seems fairly impossible atm.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Glacier Be nice I'm new here

Glacier

Posted
Posted (edited)

My glass doesn't go high enough as they climb over.

Yep they are like underwater monkeys

 

Edited by Glacier
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • 2 weeks later...
jc12 Shrimp Lover

jc12

Posted
Posted (edited)

 

My glass doesn't go high enough as they climb over. If I was to do it again I would have had it go to the top and had 3 more holes drilled.

 

Yep they are like underwater monkeys

 

I am currently having tanks made with glass dividers but the dividers do not go all the way to the top of the tank where they meet the lids. Will this be a problem? Can shrimps really scale a smooth glass divider?

Edited by jc12
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Disciple Shrimp Master

Disciple

Posted
Posted

I am currently having tanks made with glass dividers but the dividers do not go all the way to the top of the tank where they meet the lids. Will this be a problem? Can shrimps really scale a smooth glass divider?

I can confirm that shrimp can scale the glass dividers especially when you have built up a good amount of biofilm on the glass dividers. I have sponge filters filling the gap between the dividers and lids. I have found shrimps crawling in-between the sponge filter and lids lol.

Now I regularly scrap the glass dividers from just under the water line and up. It has stopped them climbing over for now but I still see them trying. :eyes_on_fire:

Link to comment
Share on other sites
jc12 Shrimp Lover

jc12

Posted
Posted

Thanks mate. Good tip. Will make sure the dividers flush with the lids. I am tinkling with excitement. Can't wait to paint the rack and plumb it all up with the tanks. :)

Link to comment
Share on other sites
buck Shrimp Breeder

buck

Posted
Posted

why not go for a hamburg matten filter style divider and use a big sheet of filter foam? just make sure you cut the foam right, measure twice cut once ;)

 

its also easy to remove, sure they can climb it but if you cut the foam so it goes all the way to your lid you should be right

 

tech den sell a big sheet of foam

http://www.thetechden.com.au/Sponge_Filter_Sheet_p/sponge60cmx50mm.htm

Link to comment
Share on other sites
jc12 Shrimp Lover

jc12

Posted
Posted

why not go for a hamburg matten filter style divider and use a big sheet of filter foam? just make sure you cut the foam right, measure twice cut once ;)

 

its also easy to remove, sure they can climb it but if you cut the foam so it goes all the way to your lid you should be right

 

tech den sell a big sheet of foam

http://www.thetechden.com.au/Sponge_Filter_Sheet_p/sponge60cmx50mm.htm

I wasn't sure about flow rate issues and have read conflicting reviews about using foam as a divider (e.g. cleaning, maintenance, flow rate, effective separation, etc.). Hence I decided to go with glass dividers with a 1" gap from base of tank. With 2"-3" substrate, I hope this will be an effective divider. Plan is to separate the BB / Panda+KK / RW/RR and breed them.

Canister filter intake from one end and output at the other end + each section with a sponge filter. Would appreciate if anyone can spot any issue with this idea. Also, sorry for hijacking this thread. My apologies.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
buck Shrimp Breeder

buck

Posted
Posted

I honestly don’t think shrimp tanks have enough crap in them to block it that kind of sponge divider.

 

 

the only issue I can see with your idea is as the soil degrades it will block up, the same reason some people are is so against under gravel filters

Link to comment
Share on other sites
jc12 Shrimp Lover

jc12

Posted
Posted

 

the only issue I can see with your idea is as the soil degrades it will block up, the same reason some people are is so against under gravel filters

 

Good point. Perhaps I could do it like Callan... place a foam under the gap.

 

@Callan, has your soil in the tank broke down yet?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Join Our Community!

    Register today, ask questions and share your shrimp and fish tank experiences with us!

  • Must Read SKF Articles

    Shrimp Disease and Treatment
    Tibee, Taitbee, Pinto, Mischling, F1, F2

  • Tropical Fish Forum
    Discus Breeding Guide
    Discus Disease and Treatment Guide

  • Posts

    • sdlTBfanUK
      Shrimp molting before eggs are hatched

      By sdlTBfanUK · Posted

      I would hazard a guess that perhaps those eggs were unfertilized and thereby unviable? Did the eggs change colour, usually yellow to grey as the yolks used up, or any eyes in the eggs. Is your water ok, using RO remineralised and the parameters in range, as I have heard others say that if the water isn't good it can 'force' a molt? How is it going overall, do you have a good size colony in the tank, you may have reached 'maximum occupancy' as a tank can only support so many occupants.
    • beanbag
      Shrimp molting before eggs are hatched

      By beanbag · Posted

      Hello folks,  The current problem I am having is that my Taiwan bee shrimp are molting before all their eggs have hatched.  Often the shrimp keep the eggs for 40+ days.  During that time, they lose about half or so, either due to dropping or duds or whatever.  Shortly before molting they look to have about a dozen left, and then they molt with about half a dozen eggs still on the shell.  Then the other shirmp will come and eat the shell.  These last few times, I have been getting around 0-3 surviving babies per batch.  I figure I can make the eggs hatch faster by raising the water temperature more (currently around 68F, which is already a few degrees higher than I used to keep it) or make the shrimp grow slower by feeding them less (protein).  Currently I feed Shrimp King complete every other day, and also a small dab of Shrimp Fit alternating days.  Maybe I can start alternating with more vegetable food like mulberry?  or just decrease the amount of food?
    • ngoomie
      Shrimp and meds containing gentian violet

      By ngoomie · Posted

      Yeah, cancer risk was a thing I'd seen mentioned a lot when looking into gentian violet briefly. I kinda just figured it might only be as bad as the cancer risk of malachite green as well, but maybe I should look into it more. I've been doing a pretty good job of not getting it on my skin and also avoiding dunking my unprotected hands into the tank water while treating my fish at least, though. Maybe I'll just not use it once I'm done this course of medication anyways, because I know a store I can sometimes get to that's pretty distant carries both malachite green and methylene blue, and in pretty large quantities.
    • jayc
      Shrimp and meds containing gentian violet

      By jayc · Posted

      Can't help you with Gentian Violet, sorry. It is banned in Australia violet for potential toxicity, and even possible cancer risks. I thought it was banned in Canada as well. At least, you now know why there isn't much info on gentian violet medication and it's use. But keep an eye on the snails after a week. If it affects the snails, it might not kill them immediately. So keep checking for up to a week. Much safer options out there. No point risking your own life over unsafe products.
    • ngoomie
      Shrimp and meds containing gentian violet

      By ngoomie · Posted

      Hello! I have a tank that currently does not contain shrimp, but does contain neon tetras which I am currently treating for Ich, as well as some bladder snails. Shrimp will be a later addition, likely cherry shrimp but I'm still doing research just to be sure. Initially I'd intended to buy some sort of Ich-fighting product that contains malachite green after doing a decent bit of research on it, most of which indicated that it should be shrimp-safe so I'd be good if I ever needed to use it again once shrimp were actually introduced (though I should note I'm aware shrimp can't get Ich, I'm more wondering in case the tetras could get Ich again, or something else that responds to similar medication). I ended up not being able to find any MG-containing products without either having to travel quite far or wait multiple days for delivery (which I was worried could lead the Ich to be fatal), and ended up picking up 'Top Fin Ick Remedy', a product that contains gentian violet which is a triarylmethane dye like malachite green. The bottle has two slightly differently worded warnings about its use with invertebrates ("not recommended for" and "not safe for" respectively), but when I'd been researching malachite green, I'd also heard of products that contain MG but not any other ingredients that would be harmful to inverts still being branded with warnings that they could be harmful, just as a "just-in-case" since the manufacturer didn't test it on any inverts, and I'm wondering if maybe it could be a similar situation here. I'm having a very very hard time finding information about gentian violet's use in fishkeeping at all though, it seems currently extremely uncommon. What I will say though is that I'm on day 2 of treating my tetras with it, and the bladder snails seem just fine -- in fact today I noticed what looked to be a bladder snail that appeared to be newly hatched (because of its size) that I hadn't seen before that was zipping around the tank without issue. But obviously, shrimp are not snails, and bladder snails are also notoriously hardy little guys, so what I'm seeing right now could easily be totally inapplicable to cherry shrimp. It might even be inapplicable to other species of snails, for all I know. Has anyone else here ever used anything that contains gentian violet in a tank that actually does contain shrimp? Were they okay, or should I make sure to not use it once shrimp are added?
×
×
  • Create New...