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What will happen with orange Sunkist shrimp and cherry shrimp in the same tank?
wtusa1783 posted a topic in Neocaridina davidi
I just got a buried orange Sunkist female from my lfs and I have a cherry shrimp Tank. What would happen if I put the orange Sunkist shrimp in that tank? Is it a good idea? Would it creat wild type? - Yesterday
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yes indeed :) Thanks for the compliment!
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^ agree to all of that 🙂 Tub method is the way I went, worked a charm. Now I use the tub as a fish-storage container. Took me most of the day to get through the whole process with a slightly overstocked 29 gallon tank - hence way more gravel. I think yours is only a 10 or something? If you switch the heater and filter to the tub, it can hold the fish and shrimp for a week or so with no problems, so you are able to take the safe approach - leaving the livestock out of the tank for a few days to let the tank settle.
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As stated byothers, there really isn't any short cuts that really are 'short cuts' in the end,, best to just empty and refill, a friend of mine did his 160L this weekend and it took about 4 hours doing as recommended above. He was replacing gravel with soil substrate as he wants to have a go at keeping more plants. He has a lot of my cull red cherry (browns) and fish so wasn't wanting/needing a buffer substrate so he is using this; https://www.tetra.net/en-gb/products/tetra-activesubstrate He also used the 'complete substrate' underneath which is probably more important with plants, as that has the minerals etc. but if you just like/want the look of the soil and to grow a few easy plants maybe you could just use the active substrate on its own. I know my friend won't have kept the fish separate from the tank once he put the new substrate in, so they will have gone back the same or next day so will be interesting to see how it works longer term, but he is using the 2 substrates which may/probably get either an ammonia spike or build up of minerals just like all the other substrates due to the Tetra complete substrate being used as well? If you can keep the fish in a different container as JayC recommends, even for just a week to let the new tank settle and test Nitrate/nitrite/ammonia over that time would be safer than just putting the fish/shrimp straight back once the new substrate is in place, also as JayC states. Having read up on this there also appears to be Seachem Flourite and I believe these 2 products are inert from the research I did. I would be interested to hear if anyone knows as that should mean they would be ideal for neocaridina shrimps if you want the soil type look??? I am assuming these products are available in USA. I had thought I would use the 'Tetra active substrate', on its own if I reset my oldest tank that has tetras and RCS but even after 5+ years the plants grow so ridiculously well, there is no point changing it, I don't use any fertiizers either. I haven't used the Fluval substrate so am not familiar with that! Simon
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Any substrate for plants will release a certain amount of nitrogen (ammonia). Ammonia is harmful to fish and shrimps. So, yes, they all contain some form of toxin. You don't want the livestock in the tank when new substrate is added. It's advisable to move them out to a temporary tank or container while you change the substrate and let it sit in the tank with a mature filter for a few days before reintroducing the livestock. As Crabby mentioned the best way to do it above. Catch all the livestock and rebuild the whole tank at once. Keep your filter running in the temporary tank/box. Just get a cheap plastic box if you don't have another spare tank. This box can always be used for other storage items, or as an emergency hospital tank after you finish with this project.
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Well I mean it wouldn't be 'toxic' as such, but substrates like that often release ammonia when first added. I would suggest doing some research into it in addition to asking the forum.
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Does anybody know if the substrate releases anything toxic?
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I've had to do it before, and it really is a million times easier to just remove decor and livestock, then drain the tank and switch substrates, and fill it back up, adding livestock and decor back in. I didn't suffer a single loss from the process, and it gave the tank time to settle with the new substrate. I'm not sure if fluval stratum does this, but some substrates require a period of time to sit in the tank without livestock - they release ammonia when first added, so it is unsafe for fish or shrimp to be living in the tank during that time. I suggest you research this, and decide whether it is the right substrate for you. You could just as easily go for an inert gravel or sand, and that will be pretty much as good for the neos as stratum. It's meant specifically for well planted/aquascaped tanks and caridinas, and in my opinion is not worth the price. If you were to go with that substrate, and not remove any livestock, I would personally set about it by removing the substrate either by hand or with a small aquarium net. Be extremely careful of the shrimp, as shrimp can sometimes be a bit dumb... usually not, but it's better safe than sorry. Once all your substrate is removed, wash your new substrate very well, and slowly add it in with a cup or something. Don't pour from the bag - again, crushed shrimpies are not happy shrimpies. Good luck!
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No I was looking for a nicer substrate for my neo tank instead of the brown pea gravel How should I remove the existing gravel with shrimp n guppies in it and install The new fluval substrate? Without causing too much chaos
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Fluval stratum is fine for Cardina shrimp. Neos don't really need it, but can live in a tank with this substrate after a small acclimation. Are you intending on keeping Neos and Caridina together?
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Is this a good substrate for neos as well as cardinias?
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Is fluval stratum a good substrate for neos and cardinia as well?
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Very nice tank set up, lush and green! The ember tetras look great in it as well. It is good to hear it is all going well and maybe the shrimp are slowing breeding as it is winter where you are so don't panic, hopefully the berried shrimp will give you a few shrimplets to watch soon! Simon
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Following this build. Looks cool Sub. Sucks about your bad experience with the supplier. There is nothing worse than poor service. Which State are you in?
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Been a while since I posted as the forum was busted and I couldn't log in for ages. I hope everyone's well. I set up a new ADA Mini M for the CRS last month. It's still cycling. Plants are growing in nicely and I've ordered an Oase FiltosSmart 100 with the integrated heater for it. Ive always used Eheims with an inline heater and I can't wait to try the Oase out. My cube is growing well too. The Cherry shrimp in there are breeding prolifically which makes for challenging water changes as I try not to suck shrimplets out. I put 10 CRS culls in there the other day and I'll be interested to see how they fair. The CRS took a long hiatus from breeding recently. I was worried my water quality had gone to poo. Spotted a female carrying the other day so all's good in the world.
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Just noticed you said 'thinking of adding tigers, would caridina work as well?' or something of the sort, just checking that you are aware that tigers are a species of the genus caridina? Those parameters should work brilliantly though for tigers and probably most other dwarf caridina (as opposed to like aussie natives or amanos and stuff). Tank looks fantastic!
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Stand looks terrific!!! Love the spot for the cat too! 😂
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That looks great and I'm sure shrimps will be very happy exploring and grazing in there. I look forward to hearing how it goes this time. I don't think anyone over here is sending shrimps (or fish) at the moment so I am not planning to get anything here soon, the fish are doing well in that tank, and there is 1 red steel shrimp survivor which shows itself occassionally? Simon
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now the upload seems to be working with a 2Mb file ... but initially 6Mb seemed to big (popup with a "-200" error message, whatever that means 😐)
