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After the disappearance of my saddled snowball :confused:, I decided to X the male snowball with a Red Rilli, Yellow & Clear Wild Type Cherry.

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Close up of the clear wild type cherry, 1st berried, so minimal eggs.

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Pic of snowball pair is on my damaged phone, but will try to retrieve the ice on iTunes.......anyone with a spare female snowball ?

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Awesome experiment dude, very interested to see what sort of results you get & which direction you take to get snowballs again :victorious:

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Blue Pearl, are they the same family, if so put in a blue cherry female too?????

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LOL, no more tanks, although another rack will be GREAT...noooooo, don't plant that seed !

There's some doubt on the ability/possibility of the Snowball's to X with Cherries. Although, I'm 90% sure my snowball accomplished that task, as they were all in a breeder box, research on the net suggest otherwise, but there's some literature too that confirms they can....

I have just moved the entire clan to a seperate tank, so that I can exclusively know for sure. I have asked shrimpsider for her opinion, as the snowballs were initially selectively bred from Germany. Any comments would be appreciated.

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LOL' date=' no more tanks, although another rack will be GREAT...noooooo, don't plant that seed![/quote']

Too late dude, the seed is planted & has germinated, new rack will be coming soon, hahaha :victorious:

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Nice! Good luck with it!

Bluebolts, I am happy to hire out a dozen of my tanks to your experiments. Send the shrimp over :victorious:

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Hello, as Marcus also emailed me, I feel I just short give you my opnion on this here :) Recently, the neocaridina have been revised:

neocardina palmata var. white = Snowball shrimp (or White Pearl shrimp, as we call it in Germany). It was labeled as neocaridina cf. zhangjiajiensis var. white before.

neocariadina davidi var. red (former: heteropoda) = Cherry, Sakura, or Taiwan Fire Red shrimp in common

To my knowledge, a succesful crossbreeding of both species has not been reported yet. I even had a friend who put Blue Pearl, Yellows and Cherries together in one tank for some time, and they did not crossbreed. However, I am not sure that this is a 100% proof they will never ever crossbreed.

Rafal M. from Poland has shown that sometimes we are traped by what we like to believe, when people talked about neocaridina x caridina hybrids. Also, I do not say it is not possible BUT neocaridina can look like Tigers!

Neocaridina davidi with black chromatophore and blue cuticle pigments:

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only a full taxonomy can clarify crossbreeding.

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X Snowball Shrimp....

Wow that pic looks remarkably like my mystery shrimp imke.... What are the chances?

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Wow that pic looks remarkably like my mystery shrimp imke.... What are the chances?

It sure does (yours has a yellowish head though) and didn't you say yours bred with a CRS?

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It sure does (yours has a yellowish head though) and didn't you say yours bred with a CRS?

Unless Rafal came up with his coloration theory' date=' I had never thought of neocaridina looking as Tigers. He has done a lot of research and practical experiements (breeding) with different shrimp, and will publish more info on his findings soon. If you check his Facebook photo stream, you can see a lot of different shrimp variants with remarks and explanation.

[url']https://www.facebook.com/Kumak.Shrimp/photos_stream

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Thank you so much for that link...so many shrimp variants, so beautiful! I noticed in one of the breeders photos that they had some filter media in a breeder box and used it like a hang on filter, I was thinking that very same concept a while ago as a backup filter if there was to ever be power failure and there was no electricity available, we could then use battery powered pumps or 12v DC air pumps to run them.

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Hi Marcus

Did you send the female to me by mistake? I was looking at the shrimp you sent tonight and there is a white eyed white female in there? about 1/2 grown, or is it one that has gone the right colour? if you want it back I can send here over for you, your Zebs are on the way to.

Bob

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Hi Marcus

Did you send the female to me by mistake? I was looking at the shrimp you sent tonight and there is a white eyed white female in there? about 1/2 grown' date=' or is it one that has gone the right colour? if you want it back I can send here over for you, your Zebs are on the way to.

Bob[/quote']

you mean you've got my missing snowball ? I thought I was going crazy ! Lol.. When you have time, can you pls fwd me a pic, just to make sure ? Thanks

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you mean you've got my missing snowball ? I thought I was going crazy ! Lol.. When you have time' date=' can you pls fwd me a pic, just to make sure ? Thanks[/quote']

Need new glasses BB????????????

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I will try and get a photo for you. It has only just shown its self and colour

Bob

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Lol, that's too funny BB, at least you've located her, mystery solved :victorious:

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What's going on BB? You recently sent me one of your special project shrimp as well, I've heard of loving your shrimp but to send them on vacation like this, you taken it a bit far mate!

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What's going on BB? You recently sent me one of your special project shrimp as well' date=' I've heard of loving your shrimp but to send them on vacation like this, you taken it a bit far mate![/quote']

LOL I like that one Chi reinvigorating his shrimp with holidays:encouragement:

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What's going on BB? You recently sent me one of your special project shrimp as well' date=' I've heard of loving your shrimp but to send them on vacation like this, you taken it a bit far mate![/quote']

Damn Chi....you gave my breeding secret away ! LOL....I've been extremely busy and distracted over the past few weeks, and been rushing too much. Gotta slow down !

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