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Subtlefly

Hi Team,

So here is the list of what has been purchased

900x400x200 PPG starphire glass rimless tank (custom build) 10mm glass

Flat one ONF+ warm white 60 cm pendant light (rated for 17 to 20 gallons - so hopefully can put it high and it will be bright enough! - the 90cm is rated for 40 to 48 gallons)

Eheim ecco 130 filter

Seachem Matrix (for the filter)

DOOA Stream Pipe ARC P-2 (13mm) 

DOOA Stream Pipe V-1 (13, H15mm) 

ADA power sand advance 2 kg

ADA amazonia fine granules  9L

ADA amazonia II (with extras) 9L

ADA cube garden mat 8mm   900x450 ( will have to trim it)

Seachem flourishm liquid fertiliser

I think other than some tweezers and curved scissors that is it so far..  I will start to post pics when the tank arrives!  

Thanks and have a great day

sub

 

 

 

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sdlTBfanUK

Look forward to seeing the tank setup, hope the tank arrives soon so you can start setting it up!

Fertilisers can be risky with shrimp so only use it IF you must, try without it first would be best.

Simon

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Subtlefly

Ok I will keep that in mind!  Thanks

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Subtlefly

Going a bit mad waiting

check out my DIY substrate sculpting tool

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sdlTBfanUK

That's genious! What was the triangular piece on the end from?

Any news on the tank yet?

Simon

ps I also like the rug!

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Subtlefly

Thanks

Its laminated skewers

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No news on the tank - its still a couple of weeks away:)

Items are coming in daily, so excitement is building

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jayc

Sweet!

and I thought I was the only one into DIY on this forum.

We need more of this on the forum.

 

Could you provide contact details of the custom tank maker?

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Subtlefly

Its Dennison Seeto, Mary Anne's Aquariums Brisbane.

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So speaking of DIY here is the room where the tank will be

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and here is how the new stand will work (to clean up our messy room!)

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I've had the steel cut to the sizes 25mm x 25mm, 2 mm wall - all getting delivered this week and I will weld it up.  

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sdlTBfanUK

That looks great and welding that lot should keep you out of trouble for quite a while!

What is in the other tank (sorry if you have already told us)?

Simon

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Subtlefly

That is wife’s tank, pair of honey gourami, 7 maculatus rasboras, two Dwarf cory

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jayc

this is turning out to be a cool little project.

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Subtlefly

First big (and expensive) mistake?

So ....... the flat one +  arrived and I also got a flat nano for the wife's tank- Both imported from ONF in Taiwan.. We have set up the nano and its a nice light, much brighter and more vivid than the 10 watt light on the aqua one Tropical 55 set up that wife bought a while ago.  BUT the glare is unreal.  The white sting from the actual LED surface combined with the reflection from the lid is killer from certain angles (like when you are sitting lower on the couch).  

I am a bit freaking out about what the 60 cm flat one + is going to be like!  

Sooo I was looking for a bright adjustable light, also wanted the super clean look, did lots of research and thinking about it..  when I look at tanks now again in the photos I see that the lights are super bright and unsheilded.. is this something that you just get used to?  Or you need to wear a hat to look at your tank?  My eyes are pretty wrecked at the best of times- I am old enough that I cant drive unless I wear glasses!!  I know I am an idiot and should have considered this issue - I think it would be criminal to put a shade or hood around a light like this.

I am thinking that maybe you can put a slight backward angle on the light so that the front blade dips down just a little - this makes a difference to the nano but looks a little derp.  

So go on, feel free to put the boot in, or offer consolation, or even advice! Life is a learning experience and I am sure that this will not be the last ... err ... unknown unknown in this project! 

Thanks all and have a great day

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sdlTBfanUK

I'm sure you will come up with something! Tilting it slightly backward may work?

I had the same sort of thing when I got a new brighter light but I think it needs to be that bright, especially with a lid to get enough light to, and through the actual tank water. without a glass cover and the condensation that produces you won't have that problem as all the light will get to the water. I have just got used to the glare when sitting down.

If you attach a picture of the light (or a link to one from the web) we can probably come up with something but I don't actually know what the light looks llke, I looked on web but there are a few different with similar names? The higher the pendant one is the more glare there will be, you may need to have a rethink?

Some have adjustable brightness and as there is no glass top with condensation, and the depth is shallow, you may not need it on its brightest setting anyway with the long tank?

Simon 

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jayc

The Flat One from ONF has a brightness adjustment, including individual RGB adjustments.

So you should be able to dial in just the right amount of brightness for comfort.

 

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Yeh thanks guys, after sleeping on it I feel a bit better.  I did do the research and took a lot of time to choose these lights so there are good things about them - yes they are both dimmable - but as you said Simon you want the brightness for the plants.. so I will just have to get used to it.  Here is the nano in full blinding operation (actually I feel it is not so bad this morning so I am already starting to adapt)

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And here is the link to the pendant light 

https://shop.onf.com.tw/products/flat-one-60cm-pendant-style

Mine is still in the box (opened once just to test it works) - will get it out and start tinkering once the stand is ready.

Thanks all and have a great day 🙂

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sdlTBfanUK

That is a very nice cube tank set up. It is deeper than the shallow and you can see the condensation which is probably sending light all over the place (try removing the glass lid and standing/sitting back, just to see?).

The lights, especially the pendant, look great. I think you should just live with it for now until the unit is built as the height of the tank(s) may be slightly different which will make a difference as well. The pendant one will pbviously glare more the higher it is but the tank won't have the condensation, and being so shallow probably won't need to be on quite as bright?

You may have just got used to it by then anyway, I have mine and don't really even notice it now!

Simon

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Aquapac

I agree with Simon on the fertilisers. Looking good so far!!

Is your water going cloudy at all so far?

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Subtlefly

No cloudy water in the small cube, but it isn't the same set up as the 90 shallow will be-- will have to wait and see:)

Steel has arrived so building is about to begin!

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Aquapac

Sounds like it will be an exciting weekend for sure!! 😉
Please share photos and btw loved your substrate sculpting tool.

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jayc

Hmm, some of the pictures are not loading. 

Might be time to use another image hosting site. 

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Subtlefly

That's weird, I can see them even when I log out and refresh the page - I might find a new place to put them anyway if everyone is having trouble viewing?

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jayc
2 hours ago, Subtlefly said:

That's weird, I can see them

Yes weird indeed. I can see them now, but I wasn't loading earlier today. Might have been a temporary problem at that image hosting site.

Seems fine now.

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Subtlefly

The Bad, the Worse and the Ugly..

So I ordered some items from a very reputable (I thought) Australian Supplier.  They came in two shipments.  Shipment 1 I got yesterday - ADA powersand S advance 2 kg and ADA la plata sand 2 kg.  They were both wrapped in black plastic and taped up (which I thought was a bit strange) - so on opening the package - the powersand advance was a L bag that was opened, had some contents left inside and taped up, and the ADA la plata sand when I opened it spilt out over the floor because the reason it was taped up was because it had a hole in it!!  

I got my second shipment today - ordered another 2 kg of ADA powersand advance (they sent me basic) and when I looked at the lily pipes I was dismayed to see that there is no way they will fit the 10mm wall tank (well they might just squeeze over the glass but there will be no room to attach the filter hoses!)  Now I hear you say, how dumb sub, why didnt you check this????   Well the thing is, I did check, the day after I made the order I rang the store and spoke to someone...... these lily pipes are more expensive than diamond!  I rang to say I wanted to double check they would fit a 10 mm wall tank- the guy said yes (straight away) and I said no, that wasnt good enough, I wanted him to go get the pipes and really, actually make sure they fit.. long pause, guys says yeh, dont worry, they fit.

So I have complained to the store, they say pack the stuff up, send it back and they will refund or send replacement powersand special..  but I feel really disappointed in the service and the experience!  

I asked my tank maker Dennison what I should do, I could not find another lily pipe set for this shallow build that did not use suction cups like these ones - I was at the point of sending pics and measurements to Laboratory equipment makers to have them hand blown!  Dennison has decided that the easiest thing to do is to make the walls of the tank out of 8 mm glass - I was reluctant (he is the expert and had recommended 10mm glass at the beginning) but he said that he hasnt started the tank build yet, and the only reason he doesnt often use 8 mm glass is that it is basically the same price as the 10 mm glass - so that is what he usually goes for - 

so now the tank will be 10mm bottom and 8 mm sides (to account for these ridiculous ADA DOOA pipes) -  I am really tempted to send them back for a refund and get the cheaper VIV ones from Hong Kong, now that I have the extra 2 mm to play with!

So the store was very unhelpful, said the only thing they would do is replace or refund, no bones thrown - maybe I am overreacting but I think the service and experience has stunk!!

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3 hours ago, Subtlefly said:

That's weird, I can see them even when I log out and refresh the page - I might find a new place to put them anyway if everyone is having trouble viewing?

I have seen them, they just take a few seconds to load otherwise I think they are ok?

Simon

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    • ShrimpLuke
      The yellow cherry aren't kept with reds, they just bred from that colony and now are by themselves but yeah ill probably seperate the shrimps in questions and find out thanks heaps!
    • sdlTBfanUK
      That is what I would so, as you say they are still attractive and time may help work it out, the colouris quite cherry but the markings are more caridina. If your caridina came from a mixed tank (as it sounds like it did) then it could be some kind of caridina hybrid (the stripes down the back are quite Pinto), assuming you got a female if you only got the 1? Of coarse if you only got one female Caridina you may want to leave the oddbods in with it to breed and you could get a fabulous mix of patterns and colours from them dependant on the genes they carry??? It is difficult to tell the sex of the caridina in the picture as it has its back arched upwards. On the other hand, if you have only had the caridina a few months is the oddbod too big to have been born since the adult was added. And if the yellow cherrys were mixed with red cherry they would revert back to wild quickly! Shrimps carry the eggs and they hatch from the mothers underside. If you aren't sure it may be best to put them in a seperate tank (for now) as you say you may do. Fingers crossed they are caridina! I hope you will keep us informed. Simon
    • ShrimpLuke
      The yellows are definitely cherry shrimp, i got them around 6 or 7 months ago when they bred from my brothers red cherry tank and started with a group of 8 and added a few more. The caradina shrimp i added a few months ago and the guy said they were in a tank of just blue bolts and pintos so they are as pure as I'm aware.   The yellows are definitely cherry shrimp, although i bought two quite large yellow shrimp from my local fish store. They're the biggest I've ever seen but they assured me they are actually yellow cherry shrimp (one of them was actually berried when i purchased it so it layed eggs in my tank). I don't think this shrimp gave birth to the shrimps in question however, as there were more smaller shrimp that look like the one in the picture, and the large yellow shrimp i bought has only given birth once. Also, it is around mainly yellow babies and the shrimp in question is slightly smaller than a fully grown yellow cherry male. My brothers dismantling a very small tank, maybe 8 -14 litres and i was thinking of putting them in there and breeding them because they look heaps nice and even better than the photos, but ill have to see. Thanks heaps for the help!
    • sdlTBfanUK
      This is an interesting dilema............ Are you sure the yellows are cherry shrimp and not 'yellow king kong'? Yellow king kong are caridina and usually smaller!  Going by the colour of the shrimp it looks yellow, but the marks down the back look more caridina than cherry! There is a yellow stripe variety of cherry but the stripe doesn't have that sort of shade/contrast. The other yellow shrimp in the picture are quite small, smaller than the oddbod, so can timeline help us? When did you get the yellows and when did you get the caridina (beautiful by the way) which is much bigger? The markings on oddbod are white (some spots on the tail as well I THINK). I wouldn't do anything with them at the moment until we (hopefully) get to the bottom of this! Simon
    • Crabby
      Well... I saw some Caridinas in that second pic. Dark yellow with darker dots and lines sounds an awful lot like some type of tangerine tiger. Unless your caridinas are from a pure line. Then I assume Simon is right.
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