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Disciple
1 hour ago, DemonCat said:

Hi Disciple, what are your concerns? 

Having researched them, I was under the impression that they were hardier than neons so thats why I decided to go for them. 

Sorry I was not clear with what I meant. Jayc first point was what I was getting at.

Saying this it is your tank and you are free to have shrimp and fish. We just want to let you know what could potentially happen.

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21 minutes ago, Disciple said:

Sorry I was not clear with what I meant. Jayc first point was what I was getting at.

Saying this it is your tank and you are free to have shrimp and fish. We just want to let you know what could potentially happen.

Oh of course. 

I have White Clouds as it is and am well aware that shrimplettes may well be on the menu. That is one particular reason why I went for Red Cherries in the first instance as I wanted a mixture of fish and shrimp in a planted tank, and did not want to risk exotic/expensive shrimp. 

As it is the shrimp zoom happily with the white clouds, who I was under the impression are about the sime size as cardinal tetras. But I may re-think the cardinals and go for the neons just due to the fact that are a little smaller. 

59 minutes ago, jayc said:

 

2) Cardinals and Shrimp prefer different (optimal) temperatures.

Cardinals like around 27-28deg C. While shrimps like a chilly 22-23deg C. 

One or the other will not be thriving. They might survive, but they won't be in the optimum environment.

In fact, Neons would fit better here with shrimps. Neons, being from further up the river, prefer the cooler water temps. Neons are smaller, and less likely to attack shrimp. Shrimplets are still fair game. 

Fair point - I did see the water temp differences and also noted that white clouds will prefer the water much closer to 22 (neons) than high temps (cardinals).

My main aim is to keep everyone happy where possible. I always want to be well understocked than overstocked for starters, and the same goes for water temp, having a decent amount for a school etc etc

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Neons it is! Does anyone have experience with both - what does it mean when I read that cardinals are hardier? Does this mean cardinals are more like white clouds in terms of hardiness, and neons are a slight step up?

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jayc
2 hours ago, DemonCat said:

what does it mean when I read that cardinals are hardier?

Just means Cardinals are not as prone to diseases as Neons are.

But personally, I think that's not a very accurate statement.

Many people keep Neons with warmth loving tropical fish, not knowing that they actually prefer the cooler temps.

Keep any fish outside of their ideal parameters and they will start getting sick, catch diseases easier, due to lower immunity.

 

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Stage 1 of re-scape complete!

Tank has been given a little bit of love, upgraded to the eheim 2217, rearranged everything. I am pretty happy with the outcome. Tank looks so much bigger without the internal filter! Eheim canister is so much quieter than the fluval internal. Will never go back. 

Photo taken a few minutes after everything was done and am hoping the cloudiness goes away for the coming days. I think the scape is much improved, and a testament to all the help I have got from you all here, and the ideas from looking at your scapes!!

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Stage 2 (soon) will be adding native vals, c.balansae or something similar to the right hand side of the tank. 

Stage 3 (after a holiday in March) will see 10 neons and 3 ottos added. 

Stage 4 - maybe christmas - a new light. If I can control algae issues in a low tech, I reckon I will get a better light to help improve growth!

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24 hours late and it has cleared up pretty well! External filters are my new best frient.

Cannot wait to get vals to the right of the driftwood. Looking for something else to add between the driftwood in the middle, or to the left of the HM in the front left corner. Maybe I will try s.repens again. 

Two things I want to happen:
1) I want the blyxa to pick up now that the sunset hygro isnt shadowing it. 
2) The HM carpets a little bit more extensively. 

I guess I need to learn to stop playing around and give it a solid amount of time to grow into itself. I also need to upgrade my light. Might solve a heap of my issues. I didn't realise I had lost 4 big healthy blyxa's on top of about 10 stems of S.repens I was gifted.

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Unagi42

Nice job it looks excellent. Looking forward to longer plants on RHS to hide equipment. How are the fish / shrimp liking it? Nothing like a rescape to add reinvest your interest in a tank.

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DemonCat
26 minutes ago, Unagi42 said:

 

Nice job it looks excellent. Looking forward to longer plants on RHS to hide equipment. How are the fish / shrimp liking it? Nothing like a rescape to add reinvest your interest in a tank.

Its much less dense than the last one so the shrimp are a little hesitant but all are doing fine so far!

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My colleague brought in Vals for me today. Cannot WAIT to get home to plant them. Yeeeaaaawwwwww! So very excited!

No idea what type though. Through the bucket the leaves look quite thin. 

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jayc

Beautiful!

I like that driftwood. It's such a focal point of the tank.

But, you gotta do something about that sock over the filter intake! :brzzzzz:

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4 minutes ago, jayc said:

Beautiful!

I like that driftwood. It's such a focal point of the tank.

But, you gotta do something about that sock over the filter intake! :brzzzzz:

I know, I know. Rearranged a little bit to hide it a bit more, but its still pretty visible. I will post a photo or two tonight after planting the vals (well, look like vals).

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I have added the vals to the tank and I I think the tank is really starting to take shape. I still need something bulky to sit behind the driftwood just to the right of the Vals... maybe they will send out runners that way.. or I could add another established narrow java fern, or maybe some crypts!

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Disciple

Looking Good!

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On 2/22/2016 at 4:46 PM, jayc said:

Beautiful!

I like that driftwood. It's such a focal point of the tank.

But, you gotta do something about that sock over the filter intake! :brzzzzz:

What do you recommend to get rid of it? It has already turned brown and I am sick of looking at it. 

Is there a sponge attachment out there? I searched but could not find one on the eheim website. 

Or just hide it with more scaping? 

I need something on it though to stop the shrimps going on a deathly adventure..,.. and you all have your tanks looking so nice I never know how you do it!

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Try searching for either a stainless steel mesh strainer from our sponsors or a sponge pre-filter for the intake.

Of if you are handy, a DIY job? See here:

 

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4 minutes ago, jc12 said:

Try searching for either a stainless steel mesh strainer from our sponsors or a sponge pre-filter for the intake.

Of if you are handy, a DIY job? See here:

 

Ahhhh! I was searching for the wrong terminology. Pre-filter intake gets me what I want!!!! Thanks jc!!

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Support our sponsors. Check out Newbreed's site.Techden and Aquakitz have them too.

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1 hour ago, jayc said:

Support our sponsors. Check out Newbreed's site.Techden and Aquakitz have them too.

I will have a look and see. Had a quick look and there seems to be heaps of sponge filters rather than just the pre-filter sponge. Will have a proper look over the weekend :)

 

EDIT - Gosh I am slow. I can just buy a normal filter block/square and make it fit. Gee you can tell I am new to this aquarium stuff. 

 

Wont the pre-filter sponge reduce the flow to the canister? I guess it will need a weekly rinse when I do a water change.

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NoGi

Nice setup, looking good mate.

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I have some new plants - chain swords, crypts and amazon swords. Fully planted now - I don't think I want to add too much more. I would rather watch it grow and develop. 

I go on a holiday in a week for 3 weeks, and when I return I will be adding 10 neons and 3 Oto :) New light from MML ordered too which should arrive in the next few days.

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It has been a few months since an update, so here it is! 12 neons added, 11 survived. Lost two white clouds too, so down to 5 or 6. 2 Oto's added - surviving well after a month. Shrimp keep on shrimping. 

Plants are all going well as far as I can tell. When comparing to the other recent pictures, the tank has filled out a bit. 

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Update!

First proper clean out of my canister and changed the fine wool filter - I hadn't realised how much 'oomph' the filter had lost till I plugged it back in after the clean - the fish thought it was a roller coaster whirlpool.

All in all, everyone is happy. The oto's both survived, back up to about 60 shrimp I can count at any one moment, and all fish are happy. 

After fighting algae and losing since upgrading my light, I am back on top of it... took me about a month or two but I found the sweet spot. For the first time, I have actively seen a heap of pearling!!! I found that extremely exciting :)

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neo-2FX

That's awesome to hear @DemonCat.

Good to hear the otto's made it too. They can be frustrating at times.

Throw up some photos when you get a chance! I love seeing photos of tanks and would be awesome to see how the plants are progressing on this one ?

 

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OzShrimp

You got a really nice lookin tank. Would love to see some more photos of your inhabitants

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Bill88

Great looking tank :)

Can't wait to set up my big tank. Still at least a month before I get it though :(

Are you using co2? I'm thinking yes from the pearling comment. Does it bother the shrimp?

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    • sdlTBfanUK
      As JayC states, that may not be suitable substrate for shrimp so you should probably consider changing it for a different substrate. The Ph of 7.5 is fine as cherry shrimp are suited to that and under normal circumstances salty shrimp Gh/Kh+ is the one to use with cherry shrimp, but the combination of the substrate and the salty shrimp is compounding the parameters to go so high. The increase in the TDS during the week may be part down to evaporation as you should top up evaporation with RO non-mineralised water.  Both your sets of TDS numbers though should be ok with cherry shrimp!  In the meantime I would try not using the GH/KH+ which should help bring your parameters down a bit more towards the requirements of the shrimp (though the GH/KH+ has all the ingredients that shrimp need obviously?). You will want to slowly reduce the figures anyway even if you change the substrate so that the parameters are closer together You may want to watch this video as it is very informative and may help you decide on where to go from here???? https://skfaquatics.com/forum/forums/topic/14161-basics-for-shrimp-keeping-video/ You should be ok using distilled water but I would do the full set of tests on some to start with just to double check, in theory it should be 0 TDS/GH/KH etc as I am sure you know? The choice of substrate is dependant on what you are hoping to keep in the tank, soil substrate if you are keeping lots of plants (though that in itself will alter some parameters), but you can use an inert substrate with cherry shrimps as they don't need the buffering effect of the soils as bee shrimps do! My cherry shrimp live in dechlorinated tap water, but as he states in the video RO water remineralised is better as it has everything in it the shrimp require? Simon
    • jayc
      That's due to the salty shrimp GH/KH+ which is doing what it is supposed to. If you don't want pH to rise you need to use Salty Shrimp GH+.   That fluorite substrate needs to go. Depending on which version of Fluorite you bought, the red or black version, flourite has iron,  potassium and magnesium and high levels of calcium and sodium present.
    • Felenah
      I have a ten gallon aquarium with bloody mary shrimp.  I have been using fluorite gravel and it keeps pushing up my GH and KH.  I am now changing 20% of my water every week in order to try and slowly adjust it.  My GH had been 15 and my KH about 10.  I now have it down to GH of 14 and a KH of about 7.  I have researched this on other sites and it seems that the Fluorite gravel will gradually stop leaching calcium.  I have also been reading that a KH of 8 and above can cause problems with neocardina secondary to their shells getting too hard and the resultant white circle of death.  My TDS can run anywhere from 230 or 240 after a water change up to 280  to 290 at the end of the week.  Ph is 7.5 and above.  I am no longer adding any supplements to the water. One more question.  I am using salty shrimp GH/KH premium aiming for a TDS of 100 after off gassing as the water I change with.  I am adding it slowly over 6 hours.  The distilled water has a ph of about 6.4 before I add the salty shrimp.  After I add the salty shrimp to a TDS of about 100 my ph increases to about 7.5. Suggestions?
    • kms
      Those are some healthy discus, I used to breed them about 18 years ago, I had ultra high body and high fin, but those a really rare these days if you are after some good quality ones.
    • Andrea Eliasdottir
      I just got onto this forum as I'm just looking to start keeping Cherries...  You have just blown my brain! Just... WoW.  o.O 
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