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BristledOne

Seeing mention of genetics and phenotypes etc reminds me of something I read once, "Cubing"

-edit- Spent so long typing this and I realize it's in a way off topic so I'm going to make a thread to flesh out my thoughts. I'd really appreciate peoples opinions on it though once the topics up

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viridisornatus

Not to derail the conversation but have people actually had mischlings from TBMxTBM or is this a hypothetical example? That would be very interesting genetically.

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CNgo2006
Not to derail the conversation but have people actually had mischlings from TBMxTBM or is this a hypothetical example? That would be very interesting genetically.

TBM meaning TBMischling x TBMischling, I assume then most definitely. TB x TB is the rarity

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clipper

Price reflects demand, nothing more. No 'good' breeder sells his best stock so it can't exactly be surprising that everyone wants a piece of the apple by offering cheaper alternatives to people who want to have a good. I only have cherry shrimp and the ride from reds to yellows to browns, then blacks and now blue and green has been exciting. One only has to stop and wonder though, that these colours have only recently been available, so how these colours were created nobody can really confirm or deny inbreeding or colour crossing. You can only buy what you see in a photo, nothing more.

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michael

I have to disagree with you there. We are not saying, that people are being ripped of due to lack of quality. We are saying they are being deceived buy the seller to what they are getting. When u buy a shrimp where the. Seller Claim it to be a Pb bb and you pay for a bb then realise in 12 months when it finally breeds that there are mostly mishling babies then you will feel jipped. There is a market for tbm however it needs to be clearly stated that's what they are not hidden. If this means there are 2 different prices in our price list all the better then it's all transparent.

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neosin

I've noticed a lot of deceptive conduct recently with taiwan bees

Generally if you see an ad for sale without any mention of "PURE" in the description, it's pretty safe to assume the seller is selling TBMs

Most sellers have adopted the "If you don't ask then i'm not lying" approach to justify their actions!

We should change the SKF rules so that all sellers claiming PURE should be required to state whos PURE line they are from and when they started breeding them :D

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BlueBolts

One of the primary reason's why the TBM & TBMM was discussed & created was to ensure new hobbyist to the shrimp world are aware of the difference genetically, with the $ reflecting their purity. I would assume & hope that hobbyist selling TB's, would mention their purity *i.e. TB, TBM or TBMM, so that newbies enquire the difference, and the knowledge spreads etc..

When I see a "TB" FS, I would assume it's a pure TB, ie. TBxTB of at least 2+ generations of breeding true, and not just F2, as this would still throw out mishlings etc….

So..

TB x Mish = TBM

TB x TBM = say 50% TB(1), 50% Mishling

TB x TB(1) = 75% TB(2), 25% Mishling

TB x TB (2) = 100% TB(3) …….This is F1

TB x TB (3) = 100% TB(4) …….This is F2

TB x TB (4) = 100% TB(5) …….This is F3

…the equation gets more complicated if a TBM, TBMM or even a mishling is introduced between the above sequence.

As most of the comments have mentioned, it's back to trusting the breeder, as the above "family tree" can be manipulated.

Thoughts ?

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Ace027

If a breeder sells Mischlings and pure TB at the same time, beware... :)

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Neo-shrimp

Could we please can get an update on prices for the different varieties of shrimps ( like in the for sales sticky )...This thread somehow got side tracked :Scratch-Head:

Thanks guys

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KiwiBigD

Agreed, I would say though there are not many pure TBs being sold.

And for those that ask, yes I have had TBMs from mischlings x mischlings, they go into my daughters tank and the girl goes into one of two grow out tanks for projects or the office tank for display.

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bozzy

slightly OT but can someone please point me to the idiots guide to what your all talking about (tb,tbm etc). im only new to the hobby with red/rellow cherries at the moment but would like to move to others later on but getting caught up on whats what seems to be confusing me a little.

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BlueBolts
slightly OT but can someone please point me to the idiots guide to what your all talking about (tb' date='tbm etc). im only new to the hobby with red/rellow cherries at the moment but would like to move to others later on but getting caught up on whats what seems to be confusing me a little.[/quote']

Try this thread, I'm sure there's other thread discussing this on SKF too...

http://www.shrimpkeepersforum.com/forum/showthread.php/783-Minchlings/page2?highlight=TBMM

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zuuutoootuuu

I've bought TBMs advertised as pure TBs in the past, I was able to isolate the true pure TB shrimp from the TBM shrimp, it was a slow process and a learning curve. However it was an excuse to have multiple tanks.

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ineke
slightly OT but can someone please point me to the idiots guide to what your all talking about (tb' date='tbm etc). im only new to the hobby with red/rellow cherries at the moment but would like to move to others later on but getting caught up on whats what seems to be confusing me a little.[/quote']

Bluebolts has shown a page to explain what they are but do you mean you would like an explanation of the abbreviations we use as in TB is Taiwan Bee , TBM is Taiwan Bee Mischling meaning it doesn't come from 2 Taiwan Bees? If you want the meaning of abbreviations just let us know and it can be written out clearly for you to understand -we all started out not knowing so don't be afraid to ask. The water parameter abbreviations can be confusing too but I think they are covered in another thread:encouragement:

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bozzy
Bluebolts has shown a page to explain what they are but do you mean you would like an explanation of the abbreviations we use as in TB is Taiwan Bee ' date=' TBM is Taiwan Bee Mischling meaning it doesn't come from 2 Taiwan Bees? If you want the meaning of abbreviations just let us know and it can be written out clearly for you to understand -we all started out not knowing so don't be afraid to ask. The water parameter abbreviations can be confusing too but I think they are covered in another thread:encouragement:[/quote']

is there a page of abbreviations/definitions somewhere already? (only just paid for (since my question) premium access and havent read everything in there yet)

im reasonibly familiar with the water parameter stuff with the exception of TDS (i know what it is but havent had a need to measure it before)

thanks guys

edit: just saw the thread Bluebolt posted so ill go read that now

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ineke

These are a few and the link to the glossary is at the bottom

CRS= crystal red shrimp

CBS= crystal black shrimp

Crystal grades= C,B,A,S,SS,SSS (lowest to highest)

PRL= pure red line

PBL= pure black line

GB= golden bee

SW= snow white

RW= red wine

KK= king kong

BB= blue bolt

TB= taibee

RCS= red cherry shrimp

YCS= yellow cherry shrimp

BCS= blue cherry shrimp

CCS= chocolate cherry shrimp

RO= reverse osmosis

DIY= do it your self

SKF= shrimp keepers forum

http://www.shrimpkeepersforum.com/forum/content.php/166-SKF-Glossary

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Squiggle

Just to add to Ineke's list of abbreviations. :encouragement:

RR = Ruby Red

TB = Taiwan Bee - Genotype(pure TB genetics)

Tibee = Tiger x Bee shrimp(CRS/CBS)

Mischling = Taiwan Bee x CRS/CBS

TBM = Phenotype Taiwan Bee from Taiwan Bee x Mischling (Looks like a Taiwan Bee but impure genes)

TBMM = Phenotype Taiwan Bee from Mischling x Mischling (Looks like a Taiwan Bee but impure genes)

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