Jump to content

Frustrated of unknown death

albash

By albash
in General Questions/Discussions

 Share

Recommended Posts

albash Shrimp Keeper

albash

Posted
Posted

Over last a couple months I have been frustrated over unknown cause of death - CRS, panda even toughie - cherry. Prior that unwilling to breed (now I have few pregnant maybe it's spring?) plus also unknown death too.

I cannot understand as my WP is always spot on and I even use shrimpydaddy's products - totally can't understand. WP always maintain as suggested parameters and I feed them once every 2 days.

I just dissect a pregnant CRS, took her eggs out and tried to revive by pointed the air pump outlet as suggested somewhere in this forum (or in other forum - can't remember where I read before)

I thought maybe bacterial infection? I was thinking to purchase a UV (eheim) and Genchem immuno (to boost immunity despite I already have Glasgarten glucan) as my very last attempt. I suppose after this very last attempt if my unknown cause of death still persists - I might want to wind up this shrimp hobbying. Only give me heartache so far when scoop out the dead ones and burn a big hole in my pocket.

Guys, do you reckon I should grab Eheim UV? Or other recommended brands? I cannot afford to purchase the high end UV (more than $500 one)

Any input are welcome though

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
salvanost Shrimp Keeper

salvanost

Posted
Posted (edited)

1. if nothing works after few months, just reset the tank
2. the sign of success breeding always from getting more shrimplets, not from keeping the adult shrimp alive
3. always check if the tank already cycle

4. always start from simple setup, wasting money not good solution, more product, technique, etc = more risk
5. always start with few shrimp to check the new tank

Edited by salvanost
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
NoGi Shrimp Guru

NoGi

Posted
Posted

Cherries are a hard shrimp to kill so also be mindful of any external factors like someone using insect spray etc... I once lost a bunch of cherries through a total lapse of judgement when I sprayed aluminium cleaner onto my tank light to clean it up. The residue was enough to knock out the cherries.

My suggestion would be not to spend more money on new equipment unless you are 100% certain it's something you have. Restart the tank, let it cycle and start with just cherries and see how you go.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Disciple Shrimp Master

Disciple

Posted
Posted

I am just curious. Could you give us the water parameter in your tank.

Temp, Ph, Gh, Kh, TDS, Ammonia, Nitrites and Nitrates.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
albash Shrimp Keeper

albash

Posted
  • Author
Posted

@Disciplemy WP are following.

pH: 6.5-6.8, TDS: 140, temp:22-24C, 0 ammonia, 10ppm nitrite, gH:5-6. I don't have nitrate test kit, so no idea.

I have 3 tanks here. First is 4ft that subdivided into 5 sections (I try to selectively breeding especially CRS as well to get more quantity of TB - purpose is to separate them accordingly). 2nd tank is Aquaone (I think around 50L capacity) and the other one is also Aquaone (approx. 65L tank). All tanks have same WP except 3rd has higher pH (6.9-7.2) because I put tigers and cherry together.

I use RO and salty shrimps.

@jaycI live in western suburb of Melbourne mate. Thanks mate

I reckon I might have left few choices now. First is to eliminate my assumption if they have bacterial infection by buying UV steriliser. So if this unknown cause death persists, I am pretty much left with no choice but to wind up 1st tank (4ft) and put them into tank 2 and 3. If unknown death still persists then, whatever left is left then - won't buy any shrimps anymore.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Disciple Shrimp Master

Disciple

Posted
Posted
15 minutes ago, albash said:

@Disciplemy WP are following.

pH: 6.5-6.8, TDS: 140, temp:22-24C, 0 ammonia, 10ppm nitrite, gH:5-6. I don't have nitrate test kit, so no idea.

 

If your nitrites are 10ppm then that would be the cause of death. You want 0 nitrites unless you meant nitrates then 10 is slightly high but ok.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
perplex Shrimp Breeder

perplex

Posted
Posted (edited)
9 hours ago, jayc said:

Albash,

are you in Adelaide by any chance?

may i ask whats Adelaide could do with it?

 

@albash id recommend getting a nitrate test kit

how often do you do water changes?

Edited by perplex
Link to comment
Share on other sites
albash Shrimp Keeper

albash

Posted
  • Author
Posted
1 hour ago, Disciple said:

If your nitrites are 10ppm then that would be the cause of death. You want 0 nitrites unless you meant nitrates then 10 is slightly high but ok.

Sorry, always mistaken my nitrate kit as nitrite. No i meant 10ppm of nitrate.

i change water fortnightly.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
jayc Shrimp Guru

jayc

Posted
Posted (edited)
12 hours ago, perplex said:

may i ask whats Adelaide could do with it?

It was just a hunch and process of elimination. 

Ineke mentioned in another conversation that Adelaide water is very high in TDS. I was wondering if Albash lived in Adelaide and used tap water.  Because using Adelaide tap water is a recipe for disaster. 

But it looks like Albash is in Melbourne and uses ro water,  so that hunch is eliminated. 

 

 

@albashHow much water change are you performing each time? 

Edited by jayc
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
revolutionhope Shrimp Master

revolutionhope

Posted
Posted
12 hours ago, perplex said: may i ask whats Adelaide could do with it?

It was just a hunch and process of elimination. 

Ineke mentioned in another conversation that Adelaide water is very high in TDS. I was wondering if Albash lived in Adelaide and used tap water.  Because using Adelaide tap water is a recipe for disaster. 

But it looks like Albash is in Melbourne and uses ro water,  so that hunch is eliminated. 

 

 

@albashHow much water change are you performing each time? 

just to prevent anyone in adel being discouraged from keeping shrimp - people do keep bee shrimps in adelaide tap successfully just need to be diligent. and cherries certainly are no problem at all.

anyway fellow adelaidians - don't let jayc get to you he's just a troublemaker ;-)

love n peace

will

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
  • HOF Member
ineke Shrimp Guru

ineke

Posted
  • HOF Member
Posted

I bred quite a variety of shrimp in Adelaide before I started using RO water . I wonder if the actual make up of the particles make a difference in the study Jayc is doing.  Our water varies during the year depending on wen the water is being pumped from the River Murray. Even though the TDS is high its "clean" particles not toxic particles. At least it's high in calcium !

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
revolutionhope Shrimp Master

revolutionhope

Posted
Posted
6 hours ago, ineke said:

I bred quite a variety of shrimp in Adelaide before I started using RO water . I wonder if the actual make up of the particles make a difference in the study Jayc is doing.  Our water varies during the year depending on wen the water is being pumped from the River Murray. Even though the TDS is high its "clean" particles not toxic particles. At least it's high in calcium !

the seasonal variation in pH and tds in adelaide is huge for sure !!!

i've also learnt that WP is variable in different areas of adelaide too.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Join Our Community!

    Register today, ask questions and share your shrimp and fish tank experiences with us!

  • Must Read SKF Articles

    Shrimp Disease and Treatment
    Tibee, Taitbee, Pinto, Mischling, F1, F2

  • Tropical Fish Forum
    Discus Breeding Guide
    Discus Disease and Treatment Guide

  • Posts

    • ngoomie
      Shrimp and meds containing gentian violet

      By ngoomie · Posted

      Yeah, cancer risk was a thing I'd seen mentioned a lot when looking into gentian violet briefly. I kinda just figured it might only be as bad as the cancer risk of malachite green as well, but maybe I should look into it more. I've been doing a pretty good job of not getting it on my skin and also avoiding dunking my unprotected hands into the tank water while treating my fish at least, though. Maybe I'll just not use it once I'm done this course of medication anyways, because I know a store I can sometimes get to that's pretty distant carries both malachite green and methylene blue, and in pretty large quantities.
    • jayc
      Shrimp and meds containing gentian violet

      By jayc · Posted

      Can't help you with Gentian Violet, sorry. It is banned in Australia violet for potential toxicity, and even possible cancer risks. I thought it was banned in Canada as well. At least, you now know why there isn't much info on gentian violet medication and it's use. But keep an eye on the snails after a week. If it affects the snails, it might not kill them immediately. So keep checking for up to a week. Much safer options out there. No point risking your own life over unsafe products.
    • ngoomie
      Shrimp and meds containing gentian violet

      By ngoomie · Posted

      Hello! I have a tank that currently does not contain shrimp, but does contain neon tetras which I am currently treating for Ich, as well as some bladder snails. Shrimp will be a later addition, likely cherry shrimp but I'm still doing research just to be sure. Initially I'd intended to buy some sort of Ich-fighting product that contains malachite green after doing a decent bit of research on it, most of which indicated that it should be shrimp-safe so I'd be good if I ever needed to use it again once shrimp were actually introduced (though I should note I'm aware shrimp can't get Ich, I'm more wondering in case the tetras could get Ich again, or something else that responds to similar medication). I ended up not being able to find any MG-containing products without either having to travel quite far or wait multiple days for delivery (which I was worried could lead the Ich to be fatal), and ended up picking up 'Top Fin Ick Remedy', a product that contains gentian violet which is a triarylmethane dye like malachite green. The bottle has two slightly differently worded warnings about its use with invertebrates ("not recommended for" and "not safe for" respectively), but when I'd been researching malachite green, I'd also heard of products that contain MG but not any other ingredients that would be harmful to inverts still being branded with warnings that they could be harmful, just as a "just-in-case" since the manufacturer didn't test it on any inverts, and I'm wondering if maybe it could be a similar situation here. I'm having a very very hard time finding information about gentian violet's use in fishkeeping at all though, it seems currently extremely uncommon. What I will say though is that I'm on day 2 of treating my tetras with it, and the bladder snails seem just fine -- in fact today I noticed what looked to be a bladder snail that appeared to be newly hatched (because of its size) that I hadn't seen before that was zipping around the tank without issue. But obviously, shrimp are not snails, and bladder snails are also notoriously hardy little guys, so what I'm seeing right now could easily be totally inapplicable to cherry shrimp. It might even be inapplicable to other species of snails, for all I know. Has anyone else here ever used anything that contains gentian violet in a tank that actually does contain shrimp? Were they okay, or should I make sure to not use it once shrimp are added?
    • sdlTBfanUK
      Planaria video - Chris Lukhaup

      By sdlTBfanUK · Posted

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58BrDSEY8KE  
    • beanbag
      Good video by Chris Lukhaup!

      By beanbag · Posted

      One interesting thing he mentioned was "Bacteria pressure", which I guess just means number of bacteria around.  Yet I see all these other videos from shrimpkeepers bragging about how much bacteria their filtering system holds. Also interesting is no mention of using anti-biotics to treat bacterial infection.  I think that has fallen out of favor recently.
×
×
  • Create New...