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revolutionhope

Breeding room build.. finally ..

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revolutionhope    424
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Thought I'd start to post some pics and updates of the progress and some of the steps along the way incase it helps anyone to learn from my mistakes and successes.

 

Below is a pic of the room as it is now (very ad hoc) and also the materials we're using to build the new tables and shelves. We are using atructural pine for support including lengths along the base of the tables to spread the load with 25mm "eco" ply benchtops. Dressed pine shelves for misc frequently used items and to mount the lighting as well as to support waterchange dripping buckets. The waterchange method my friend and I have come up with (mostly him) is pretty neat and I'll share the details of how that will work later.

 

The end result will house 12× 60 litre tanks and 2x 90 litre tanks all of which will be divided into two sections. I will be using a combination biospon and the standard style air driven sponges for filtration - all biospon will be driven by one larger pump hidden away supplied by a large airline around the perimeter and a smaller pump for each table to supply air to the oldschool sponges to ensure filtration and aeration incase of mechanical failure.42acda74bb510e529f06d4e5097ab3bf.jpg554784400968544143f3953e5f8026f9.jpg

 

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jc12    230
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Very exciting!!! Yay!!! :)

Keen to follow your progress.

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revolutionhope    424
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Already time for an update :-) benches are built (solid AS - massive thanks to my mate Kenny) I'll need to do some sanding here and there to remove misc stamps and marks then will give them a clear coat of varnish/sealant.

Also all the miscellaneous crap in the room has been tidied and a lot of it stashed away elsewhere. When benches are ready then it will be time to shuffle the old tanks out and then bring in the new gear.9c0325ce158a1def712eba82f5e08cd1.jpg


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KillieOrCory    78
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Looking great! Keep doing updates no matter how small :)

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Looking great! Keep doing updates no matter how small :)
Thanks for the encouragement :-)

Here's a pic of some of the tanks I have chosen. They are opticlear I've been lucky to find them at a price that isn't over the top. The rest are arriving next week. I love that the silicone is pretty much invisible.

And a teaser shot of my friends ingenious water change mechanism - he's finished the electronics side of it..73e15e5f50f23e33da371e43631f048f.jpg53560195c2da49667d892da3a851e6e6.jpg


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jc12    230
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The first pic can almost be mistaken as many park benches. Haha. Nice work.

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That opticlear glass... 😲 

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So bunnings has a special on their DETA led downlights. 5x 12w for $69 so have gone with that option. They are daylight spectrum and rated to 900 lumens - I could only find independently tested specs on them for an earlier model on ledbenchmark.com but those came up pretty decent and I've already been using this brand for close to a year and I'm quite happy with how they perform.

My buddy has rigged and tested the deta brand universal dimmer that bunnings also sells - we will put each of the four benches on a separate channel so I can easily turn a single bench on or off manually if/when I need. They will all run on a timer and fade on from 20% - 100% power over a few minutes period.

The lights come with clips and we will suspend them inside of pvc tube a little above the tanks to keep them enough out of the way to give good spread over the tank and also avoid wasting too much light.

When the LED system is setup I'll ask my mate about the technical side of it and include those details here for those interested.8d5ff0e2b09a904b44de39707e175f47.jpg


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That opticlear glass...  

I know it's going to be a shame to blemish them with the dividers but it's the most efficient way I've decided that I'll be able to do selective breeding without stressing the shrimps having to move them from tank to tank!

 

I also want to dedicate one or two other seperate tanks for oddbods plus those shrimp that I just can't quite bring myself to cull as well as a few of my nicer shrimps popped in there as an insurance policy.

 

The dividers will have no windows with mesh - I will just have 2mm acrylic dividers but with a gap at the bottom of 3cm and a 5cm layer of fairly chunky dark gravel either side of that spanning out 10cm and then a shallower later of either buffering substrate or plain old pool filter sand depending on the tank.

 

I hope that should provide enough circulation. There will be a total of about 400-600 lph of airflow going into the sponges to circulate each tank.

 

I've attached the rough plan for the LEDs here now. The electronics side of it will probably be finished soon. Things are really moving pretty quickly can't wait till the rest of the tanks are ready.

 

Shrimps I will keep

 

(What I already have) -

Blue dream

Blue body red rili (work in progress)

Yellow cherry

Bloody Mary

Crs

Green babaulti

Blue dream

Tangerine tiger

 

Shrimps I would like to add -

Shadow panda

Caridina zebra

Sulawesi cardinal

Mid-dark blue oebt

 

Inverts I have but have not made allowance for (mainly because I don't want to put massive tanks in this room where I'm not sure the floor might cave in and as a result will need to beg the minister of finance to allow me to have 2 tanks in the lounge again) -

Macrobrachium Australianese

Yabbies (cherax destructor)

 

At this point without naming anyone because the list would be too long I'd like to thank all of the wonderful people in the shrimp keeping community who have helped me to get to the point I'm at now i have learnt a lot in the last 2 and a half years or so since I first signed up on skf. You all know who you are - thank you !!! 6065bfbf66daa380234b84c6567e67f5.jpg

 

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Some of the aquarium dividers are installed and I'm pretty happy with how they are looking. We've used some small PVC tube with a slot cut in the middle to anchor and support the 2mm acrylic sheet as well as using the little plastic clips at the top (they came with the aquariums as supports for the lid). We have left a gap of around 23mm at the bottom and i will layer it up high with some fairly chunky gravel in the middle where the divisions are to allow enough flow to keep WP fairly well matched in both sections.

LED controller has been built and we
Have also finished 3/4 draining and moving out all of the smaller tanks into the room next door while we install shelving and modify the built in robe. Tanks have been filled back up with fresh remineralised RO and the shrimps seem to have handled the move OK and I haven't detected any spikes in parameters. Some shrimps in my yellow colony seem a little paler than I had thought but I think they'll bounce back alright.c962a6d143dd42240fa2d1831ce0fdcc.jpgc63bcd6bfc8ec923863f957a83e75fae.jpg


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    • revolutionhope
      Good solid advice@jayc :-)


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    • jayc
      The shrimp seem to not mind it at all, in fact they seem to be thinking ... "Ooo, look! New foraging areas" whenever I disturb the substrate. But of course, I match the new water parameters to the old as much as I can except for TDS (generally the new water is lower in TDS). Every other parameter, like pH, GH, and temperature will be a very close match. So the shrimp don't notice it much. I catch as many as visibly possible into a bucket temporarily while I clean the tank. And they are returned to the tank after acclimating them slowly. I filter the water I drain into a net first to catch any baby shrimplets.  If you want to add substrate without removing the old substrate, it can be done easily ... one scoop at a time. Use those plastic takeaway containers. The shrimp will scatter.  Don't be too worried, they are faster than you think when the need arises. I aim to never loose any 😉 🤘  
    • jayc
      Where is @Foxpuppet and @lodo when you need them?
    • Baccus
      I think to a degree volume of water and stocking levels relevant to that volume assists in shrimp size. A couple of years ago I chucked a heap of cull cherry shrimp into my 1000L pond and months later when doing some maintenance on the tank found freakishly large cherry shrimp. This pond didn't get lots of special foods like the tanks did, instead might have only had commercial fish food put in once a week. However did/ does have a large lily plant, other weeds, leaves and fruit (mostly icecream bean fruit and leaves) falling into the pond and plenty of bloodworms naturally colonised, along with dragonfly nymphs which predate on the shrimp. I have never seen such large cherry shrimp again and certainly have never produced any of that size in any of my tanks even the 4ft tanks. So even though shrimp maybe able to do quite well in nano and small tanks I often wonder if we do them a disservice by having them in small tanks, in effect stunting them to some degree. revolutionhope I had also heard about dark substrate bringing out the best colour, however I once had some of the darkest glossy red cherry shrimp on pure white sand, with live plants natural timber and fish. Other shrimp have been just as well coloured on natural coloured creek gravel. Less well coloured or have taken longer to show good colour potential have been on a gravel blend of natural and fluro coloured gravels like what most kids will buy for their first tank because they like the pretty colours. In my black cherry tank I am actually getting to the point of trying to decide in which direction do I want to go with the black breeding program. Since I am now getting blue black shrimp. Some of the shrimp are still a nice solid glossy black but have a distinct dark blue undertone. I wish I could get a photo to show the variation between these blue blacks and true blacks. In this same tank I am still having to remove the odd chocolate, very occasional faint yellow and green, recently pale blue and thankfully even less often now wild type. Oh and if possible with your divided breeding programs try to keep the separate tanks a good distance apart since shrimp are good climbers and sneaky escape artists. Where I have my tanks ( all open topped) one of the tanks has higher sides than its neighbouring tank which is lower. So even though the there is a gap between the tanks I am almost certain that shrimp from the higher tank have managed to flip over the side and by more good luck than planning end up in the lower tank. Some have not been so lucky and then I find crispy dried shrimp on the bench. So if tanks where the same height and butted up side  by side or even one tank divided there is the potential for shrimp to make escape bids and climb into neighbouring tanks. I have even seen photos of shrimp climbing against the flow of a HOB filter return to get into the yummy gunk inside the filter.
    • EBC
      How do your shrimp fare when you do a big tear down like that? Do you generally expect to lose a couple? Or do you put them in another tank while you do it? I am currently renting one bedroom apartments so I only have the one small tank. With such a small tank I would be worried I would crush some shrimp in the process. 
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