In response to PM's & queries, and follow up thread on Mischlings, I've initiated this thread for the discussion of TB breeding program's, to assist hobbyist in taking the next step into the world of TB's. The pre-conception that they're extremely difficult and sensitive has some merit, but with the growth of knowledge and availability of products and SKF, this mis-conception is dissipating, and today, there are a number of hobbyist successfully keeping and breeding TB's.

I've borrowed this chart from Fabio Silva, which best explains the "theory" of TB's off-springs. The Taiwan = Tawain Bee (TB), and Taiwan Hybrid is Mischlings.

Depending on the genetic pool of the TB....i.e. a WR may result in the x of KKxWR, thus having a greater % of the KK gene, thus may affect the chart above. WR with a larger % of KK genes, tends to have a darker/bloody red. Many hobbyist will mix ALL their TB's (KK, WR & BB) & Mischlings into one tank, and whether it produces KK, BB or WR, they're all TB's, so there's no need for a selective program. Other breeders will perhaps then isolate each TB, and have it's own breeding program.

My WP for TB's are PH - 6.4, KH - 0-1, GH 4-6, TDS - 300 & Temp @ 22-24. I use Benebachi Soil (Buffer Ph & GH), and Salty Shrimp Mix/RO Water. These WP have proven a success for me.

Trust this info will assist .....

Thanks Marcus, that is extremely helpful :)

Sorry, Double post :)

Thanks for the info Marcus. If and when I have a new tank, it will all be TB's!

Just have to wear down my wife first for a 4-footer... :barbershop_quartet_

brilliant chart thanks marcus and good on fabio... makes things a bit simpler.

hey Bluebolt just wondering if the sex of the taiwan bee ,mischling or crs/cbs makes a difference to the breeding chart..?

There'a varying opinions, even with the experts. Two school of thoughts .... One saying the male transfers more of its genetic code, the other the female. Unfortunately, I haven't got breeding racks to experience and research this, perhaps Dean can share his knowledge and experience here.

I personally believe genetics is a "soup mix", and its siblings carries both parents, with varying % either way. Similar to us, where kids may have a stronger physical and characteristics of either parent, one more then the other, either way, or NOT. Anything to do with genetics, are avg's and theoreticals.... Not an absolute definite science....

Id like to add to this:

Nice one easy to see.

There'a varying opinions' date=' even with the experts.[/quote']

Agree on this, and my personal opinion on Taiwan Bee genetics is that one cannot explain everything with the Mendel dominant-recessive charts.

Also, pattern, type and coloration DNA seems to interact differently and not always alike.

The intense black/blue (or double black) coloration we know from Taiwan Bee besides is stuck in different epidermis layer of shrimp, which explains the different colors as black, blue, green, brown and shadow-red coloration of shrimp with Taiwan Bee gen.

Thanks shrimpsider, we're in such an infancy stage with TB's here in Australia. Combined with the lack of experience, and the endless minefield of information & mis-information on the net, your insights are great !

I had read (yes, on the net), that the green in TB's are attributed more to PH, rather then a genetic trait ?

Thanks

I had read (yes' date=' on the net), that the green in TB's are attributed more to PH, rather then a genetic trait ?[/quote']

No, this is wrong. Though it is true that all shrimp can vary in coloration due to different water parameter (KH / pH, temp) we already have stable greenish and bluish Taiwan Bee. My friend Kerstin aka crusta.de has green Taiwan Bee (Hulks) for around one year in a constantly running tank now. These shrimp are not stressed, nor differs the water parameter - and offspring is green. You might want to check out her youtube channel. http://www.youtube.com/user/CrustaWirbellose/videos

Same with the bluish Taiwan Bee (Blue Jelly) which Aaron Li presented.

Id like to add to this:

just bumping this chart up thought it quite good

Very cool chart, explains it very well :victorious:

The intense black/blue (or double black) coloration we know from Taiwan Bee besides is stuck in different epidermis layer of shrimp' date=' which explains the different colors as black, blue, green, brown and shadow-red coloration of shrimp with Taiwan Bee gen.[/quote']

This is exactly what I've been thinking for some time, its very similar to the genetics in Guppys so I'm really pleased to read this confirmation. Are you able

to provide any information in regards to how many laters?

While this is up can someone tell me are pandas and kk the same except for the amount of black and if so when does a panda become a kk is it that one is black and a bit of white the other white with black. AND does shadow just denote the blue colouring thanks

While this is up can someone tell me are pandas and kk the same except for the amount of black and if so when does a panda become a kk is it that one is black and a bit of white the other white with black. AND does shadow just denote the blue colouring thanks

Pandas and KKs are from the same genetics, key difference though is the amount of white banding in a Panda, a King Kong should have only up to a couple of very small

stripes, white should be absolute minimal, zero for an Extreme KK

Thank you BigD:encouragement:

+1 Agree with BigD, KK's are just like a SSS version of a panda :victorious:

Thanks Squiggle:encouragement: I just start to think I know something and then theres a whole heap more to know LOL I thought it was supposed to get easier

That's the coolest part about this hobby, there's always something more you can learn. :encouragement: If you think you know everything there is to know then it gets boring & repetitive, definitely not the case with shrimp :victorious:

It's not like they are Bettas ......

It's not like they are Bettas ......

Mmmm silent message there but I didn't get it unless they are predictable:confused:

The genetics are & after breeding them for so long it does get a bit boring, you need an injection of interest to get you back in to them. Shows are the way for me to keep interested in them, you never know how you are going to go in a show :victorious:

I happen to prefer pandas, a lot more interesting I think. Same as Red pandas are a lot more interesting than RR.