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fishmosy

I'm literally trying to track down a copy of this paper right now.

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fishmosy

I've requested a copy from the author. Based on the abstract, I dont think the paper renames Caridina cantonensis, but rather describes three new species from the areas where bee shrimp have been collected. Up until now, the shrimp in the hobby have all been called Caridina cf. cantonensis. The cf. means that the oganism looks like the species (in this case cantonensis) but needs to be examined closely to ensure it is not something else.

Should make for interesting reading. I wonder if all or most of our bee shrimp are actually hybrids?

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Shadow bee DK

is it ok to post a facebook link here?

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fishmosy

As long as its not a link to a store selling shrimp or shrimp gear, there shouldn't be a problem.

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NoGi

Once we have confirmation we can make any necessary changes here

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jayc

Bah, needs subscription, and no pics.  :thumbsd:

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Shadow bee DK

There will be an article in the next Breeders and keepers  magazine.... (or that's what I've been told)

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fishmosy

Cool. I can pass on the paper to whoever is interested once I get a copy.

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LarsP
Hello,
to make it a little clearer.

The beeshrimp has not been scientifically described and thus got the temporary name Caridina cf. cantonensis, which means "looks like a cantonensis, but it is not."

After several years of microscopic and genetic studies Werner Klotz and Thomas von Rintelen have their scientific work now completed and given to the beeshrimp its own name.

The new name is "Caridina logemanni", in reference to two German brothers with the last name Logemann, who are very active in the German shrimp Scene.

In addition Werner Klotz and Thomas von Rintelen have also described the tiger shrimp, which now has the name "Caridina mariae".

 

Greetings from Germany

Lars

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fishmosy

Thanks Lars

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Shrimpmaster

I'm glad they give it a simple name, "Caridina logemanni" and "Caridina mariae" are rolling of my tounge :mellow:

 

In normal speaking it will always be names like Crystal Red, King Kong, Red Ruby and Taiwan Bee. People are very used to it, no matter that it's actually wrong.

 

But great work and i'm looking forward to the paper and what the results!

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LarsP

Are you the same shrimpmaster, who was in the german garnelenforum.de?

 

In Germany every one will remember this name, as the brothers Logemann are very well known in the scene.

 

Greetings

Lars

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Shrimpmaster

Hi, yes. German is difficult for me, that's why I don't post much. Still read topics from time to time. I'm very jealous on how big the hobby is in Germany and how dedicated the breeders are. Not that's it's nothing in the Netherlands, but still small if you ask me.

 

I understand why they choose the names and they deserve it! But still logemanni and mariae is not a very easy name for me at least :wink:. Maybe it's very common in german?

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LarsP

I had a look on you PRL-thread there. I have also my PRL from Mario. But that is now to much offtopic.

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Proto

So it would seem most of the shrimp in the hobby would be hybrids?

I wonder if that will have any impact on people's opinions, especially with disclosure rules and likely an inability to be 100% sure (ie see endler dramas internationally...It's assumed all australia ones are hybrids)

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KillieOrCory

I have access to the journal :D  Nice habitat photos too.

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fishmosy

The author sent me a copy this morning. I had a quick breeze through it, It looks like really good reading.

First thoughts are that it appears the new types of shrimp (anything that has been crossed with tigers) are actually hybrids. Hmmm. I wonder if we are going to see the heated hybrid vs. pure bred arguments that occur for fish.

Luckily the CRS we have today are so far removed from wild type through selective breeding that I dont think there is any reason not to hybridise them. Some people will always like the classics (CRS/CBS) so I dont think their genetics are going to disappear.

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Proto

I'm pretty sure the arguments will happen oversea's but be less of an due to importation laws. Wild types that are verified pure will go at a premium which will be pushing the pure arguments since it potentially generates more $$$ for some.

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fishmosy

Yeah thats right. Anything to increase the $$$$$.

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kizshrimp

A different post just got me thinking about this again. It's been nearly 3 months since this thread started, but I'm yet to hear anyone move from using the name Caridina cantonensis - a different animal. 

Whenever a species description leads to a new name it takes time for that name to gain popular acceptance, but it's important that we start trying to get the new names in our heads, and ultimately to start using them. 

 

Are those of you out there in shrimp world trying now to think of your bee shrimp as C. logemanni, and your tigers as C. mariae? I may not always be succeeding yet, but I'm certainly trying (so I've been told). 

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kizshrimp

Just noticed the species category names have been changed on the forum to reflect the updated taxonomy. Good work NoGi!! 

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