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KK with pinto genes qtn.


Wilzee83

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Hi fellow Skpers,

I've been searching this forum for some answers but I can't seem to find it so apologise in advance if this qtn has been answered time after time. :(

I'm hoping you'll be able to assist me with this qtn as i'm new to owning taiwan bee shrimp.

I've got KKs and the breeder advised me there maybe pinto genes.

Just wondering once these KKs breed, what type of babies will these KKs produce?

 

Kind regards,

Will.

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45 minutes ago, Wilzee83 said:

I've got KKs and the breeder advised me there maybe pinto genes.

Just wondering once these KKs breed, what type of babies will these KKs produce?

You will get mainly KK, with a small chance of a pinto.

You can increase the chance of pintos by adding a female pinto into the mix.

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Hello Will,

Breeder will advise you there are pinto genes in their shrimp when pinto shrimp where involved in the breeding process.

Pinto do not breed true and will often produce different types of TB or mischlings. Even though they look like a TB they still carry the pinto gene and a chance to produce pintos.

If you had a pure TB colony you would not want to introduce shrimp with pinto genes.

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Thanks for the replies! I really appreciate the input. I spoke to the breeder and he advised me he gets the odd pinto when he breeds with his king kong batch. I respect to your question @Disciple, if i mix KK with pinto genes and kk with pure TB genes, wouldn't the offspring have stronger genes? I'm considering this option so that my shrimps are genetically more superior.

What are your thoughts in this technique/breeding strategy?

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23 hours ago, Wilzee83 said:

 @Disciple, if i mix KK with pinto genes and kk with pure TB genes, wouldn't the offspring have stronger genes? I'm considering this option so that my shrimps are genetically more superior.

What are your thoughts in this technique/breeding strategy?

Sorry @Wilzee83 I am no expert about genetics so I cant give you any advice on how strong the genes will be if you mix kk with pinto gene and pure TB KK.

My question is why do you believe mixing pinto gene kk with pure tb kk will produce genetically superior shrimp? I am curious as I haven't done much research into this. Do you think your pure tb kk are genetically weak? do they have deformities?

I think it is fine to breed pinto gene shrimp with pure shrimp, if that is what you want to do. The only thing is if you decide to sell the offspring to a potential buyer let them know they carry the pinto gene. Some people want to keep their lines pure tb.

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4 hours ago, Disciple said:

Sorry @Wilzee83 I am no expert about genetics so I cant give you any advice on how strong the genes will be if you mix kk with pinto gene and pure TB KK.

My question is why do you believe mixing pinto gene kk with pure tb kk will produce genetically superior shrimp? I am curious as I haven't done much research into this. Do you think your pure tb kk are genetically weak? do they have deformities?

I think it is fine to breed pinto gene shrimp with pure shrimp, if that is what you want to do. The only thing is if you decide to sell the offspring to a potential buyer let them know they carry the pinto gene. Some people want to keep their lines pure tb.

Maybe my selection of words isn't that fantastic but I was told by an aquarium shop owner that KKs have issues with survivals because the have been selectively inbred over many generations which is why they are very sensitive to change of water parameters. He even said some of them have micro haemorrhages in the brain as a result of this. To be honest, I love all creatures and like to treat them with the respect they deserve. Especially my pets.

I just follow the concept that inbreeding causes genetic deformities as you see with Royal families in the ages. I'm hoping that by mixing up the genes with other KKs from other breeders, the genetic make up will be more diverse resulting in stronger genes and less fatalities. This theory is evident on humans I guess and may not apply to invertebrates. But am I wrong to think this concept extends to other species? Or I shouldn't be worried about this situation and that my aquarium shop owner doesn't know what he is talking about which is also a fair presumption. Lol

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48 minutes ago, Wilzee83 said:

Maybe my selection of words isn't that fantastic but I was told by an aquarium shop owner that KKs have issues with survivals because the have been selectively inbred over many generations which is why they are very sensitive to change of water parameters. He even said some of them have micro haemorrhages in the brain as a result of this. To be honest, I love all creatures and like to treat them with the respect they deserve. Especially my pets

Fair enough it is true that these types of shrimp have been inbred over many generations to get the qualities that the breeder wants. 

55 minutes ago, Wilzee83 said:

I just follow the concept that inbreeding causes genetic deformities as you see with Royal families in the ages. I'm hoping that by mixing up the genes with other KKs from other breeders, the genetic make up will be more diverse resulting in stronger genes and less fatalities. This theory is evident on humans I guess and may not apply to invertebrates. But am I wrong to think this concept extends to other species? Or I shouldn't be worried about this situation and that my aquarium shop owner doesn't know what he is talking about which is also a fair presumption. Lol

I can see your logic with inbreeding that will cause deformities. I like to think of them like ants because that is what they remind me of but I like I said I am not an expert on genetics and I have always wondered how it all works in the shrimp world. 

Hopefully you can keep a journal and keep us updated on your findings.

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