I can't believe the amount of PRL available these day. Just because your crs doesn't product cbs/Sw/gb etc... Does not mean your crs is prl crs. LMAO.

Low grade prl. WOW!

What next?? LOW GRADE TWB?

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Yep, unfortunately anything that looks remotely similar to a high end shrimp often gets labeled as such. Buying from reputatable sellers makes all the difference when buying shrimp.

I have to agree, the term "low grade"is being thrown about to boost prices way too much lately. I have to agree with Fishmosy, definitely buy off breeders you know & have proven quality, I also have to agree with something that Shrimpy Daddy said in another thread & that is if a breeder is saying they are "low grade" anything(especially PRL, PBL or any other high grade shrimp) then they probably aren't.

I also have to laugh at everything being labeled as "pinto gene" basically just means it's been crossed with a tiger, lmao.

100% agreed.

*Low grade prl! Lmfao

*Pinto gene! Lmfao

*these shrimps will product high grade! Lmfao

Too much promises these day! To make the extra $$$

Do we have or can we get a newbies selling guide around this so people are aware when listing here? We can't control what happens outside of SKF but can certainly do our best to ensure we maintain a level of quality here.

lol there goes my plan of starting off at medium grade PRL's haha

 

This is good information for noobs like me!

I see too many ppl label their shrimps prl these day.

Can't controll myself but to vent my opinion, to only get abusive and name calling against me ;).

Im sorry I have to disagree but there are such things as low grade PRL. Just because the parents are top grade PRL doesn't mean they'll have 100% top grade PRL bubs...So what do we call these PRL culls if not low grade PRL then? I have seen first hand in Vietnam my mate have super sexy PRL but only 10% of the offspring are high grade and kept for his projects, the rest are low-med grade PRL and are sold as such. Pinto Gene is anything that came from a PINTO x ...so what do we call them if not pinto gene? I mean anything that is X with a shadow...offspring are called Shadow gene even if they are normal looking panda etc. No?

Edited December 16, 201411 yr by CNgo2006

I dont understand why you would say that theres no such thing as low grade prl.... Prl is a pure blood line shrimp... The quality is determined by patterns. Prl has to do with the blood line.. And thats that..

I don't think anyone has stated that there's no such thing as low grade prl. However there can't be too many breeders in Aus that have true prl, so therefore there can't be many true low grade prl being sold.

It seems to me that the increase in sales of shrimp labeled as 'low grade prl' ect has coincided with a drop in the availability/sales of CRS in Aus. The cynic in me suggests this is because shrimp are being mislabeled, not because everyone now has colonies of prl ect. instead of CRS.

Edited December 16, 201411 yr by fishmosy

Personally, everything mentioned would be labeled as "cull" if I was selling them, as that is what they are, if you can't use them to further your line then you are culling them.

Its time we have a set of standards for the new colour/breed types - do they exist overseas or do we need to set our own. We need to look into what is classed as a pure breed and what is a colour within the breed. It gets complicated especially as most of the new types of shrimp are a colour mutation within a breed.

Personally, everything mentioned would be labeled as "cull" if I was selling them, as that is what they are, if you can't use them to further your line then you are culling them.

 

But we have to remember a "cull" to one hobbyist is gold and a great starting point for another...as not all of us can afford top of the line PRL, to start off with. Starting off with low-med grades/quality or "Culls" with careful selective breeding can still get you to some top grade PRL in the long run as long as you put in the effort as they already have the genes...

 

Also Kev I think you are confusing the words grade and quality...maybe they should have used "Low Quality" PRL instead as it is the poor quality colours in the line they are usually referring to...As said Liquid paper white, glossy candy red parents will not have 100% same quality babies, especially here in Australia as we have so little PRL to play with.

Edited December 17, 201411 yr by CNgo2006

But we have to remember a "cull" to one hobbyist is gold and a great starting point for another...as not all of us can afford top of the line PRL, to start off with. Starting off with low-med grades/quality or "Culls" with careful selective breeding can still get you to some top grade PRL in the long run as long as you put in the effort as they already have the genes...

Exactly my point dude, people should know they are getting something that has been culled from a quality program from a top breeder at a greatly reduced price, & most breeders I know do this, rather than inflating the price by calling at it "low grade"

Exactly my point dude, people should know they are getting something that has been culled from a quality program from a top breeder at a greatly reduced price, & most breeders I know do this, rather than inflating the price by calling at it "low grade"

 

Considering what they have been selling for I don't think anyone has any misconceptions that they are culls low grades (what is the meaning of low grade anyway? Does it not mean exactly that they are the culls of the batch?), just looking at the pics anyone can see what they are, if they were sold as top grade PRL then that would be a different story, LOL!...they have been selling pretty cheap actually around same price as normal CRS (time will tell if they are what they claim to be PRL but that is the whole TBM argument all over again and yes only buy from trusted breeder)

Considering what they have been selling for I don't think anyone has any misconceptions that they are culls low grades (what is the meaning of low grade anyway? Does it not mean exactly that they are the culls of the batch?), just looking at the pics anyone can see what they are, if they were sold as top grade PRL then that would be a different story, LOL!...they have been selling pretty cheap actually around same price as normal CRS (time will tell if they are what they claim to be PRL but that is the whole TBM argument all over again and yes only buy from trusted breeder)

Completely agree dude, but my understanding of a "low grade" PRL would be one that has A or S pattern with the quality of the colour being good, as opposed to a higher grade SS or SSS pattern with the same colour quality, wouldn't you agree? This is where I think the confusion arises, cause for many years we have been focused on the word "grade" as a measure of pattern, not quality of colour, & anything less than that was a cull.

I agree a-s "prl" should be called low grade. Not low quality....

Personally, everything mentioned would be labeled as "cull" if I was selling them, as that is what they are, if you can't use them to further your line then you are culling them.

I have to agree.

As we can see here from the post made from Lars, OS they don't grade PRL via a-sss system etc. but rather by the colour intensity. http://shrimpkeepersforum.com/forum/index.php/topic/7077-prl/

I agree that in Europe the grade on colour & they use the K system, but we aren't in Europe.

I agree that in Europe the grade on colour & they use the K system, but we aren't in Europe.

 

So we should make up our own Aussie PRL grading system? So what do we use until then? PRL should be graded on colour intensity first and foremost anyway as no one really cares if they have SSS PRL with low quality colours, we are all looking for the colour intensity and thats all that really matters (mainly, then the grade) in PRL/PBL. I'm sure that is what they use in Asia and the rest of world as well not only in Europe but as explained to me everyone has there own grading system so it gets too confusing! LOL!

Edited December 18, 201411 yr by CNgo2006

Let's start using the K system like the rest of the world, simple. But even in other countries they call the lower quality coloured shrimp culls.

Sorry I couldn't get a better quality image.

I'm starting to really like to post here on SKF because ideas and opinions aren't jaded and folks have a genuine interest to learn and call bs when bs is due.  Some folks are too nice to call out BS when it occurs and the result is the seller or provider will continue to get away with selling trash, which in the long run ruins the fun for everyone.

 

I really can't agree more on what has already been say.  There's been a lot of people going around (especially in NA where good shrimps is hard to get) selling CRS as PRL and it's downright deceitful.  Selling culls is one thing, but to sell CRS as PRL is just on a whole new level.  I think this happens because it's just so impossibly hard to get GOOD/LEGIT PRL available in NA (and I assume Australia as well).  Being that the PRL market is so hot right now, it's very easy for someone to get a single good photo of their shrimp (notice that typically the shrimp pictures is usually a single specimen with exceptional colors) and fool folks into buying.  'Show the best, sell the rest' mindset as I like to call it.  Heck, there's' even times when some people sell the DREAM of having nice PRL culls by typically selling EXTREMELY overpriced PRL (given they're very nice) at prices so high no one would buy but at the same time sell "culls" from the "same stock" who looks no better than those very faded colored CRS.  It's the old 'bait and switch' method that has left so many people scratching their heads wondering that just happened.  

 

It's very hard to find good PRL (I've learned the hard way) and so I've opted that the best practice (for me) was to not buy any until I could HAND PICK my shrimps.  It's sort of a quality assurance usually not afforded to many but for the few that can do this, I would highly suggest it.  It's the only TRUE, sure way, to insure that what you're getting is the very best.

 

Sometimes we get tunneled visioned by those gorgeous photos of shrimps we see online that we're blind sided from the truth (Bloody Mary, Rili, etc..).  I find that with a little patience and little self control, you'd save a lot of money and those distrustful sellers will learn that their tricks won't work and it will "cull" out those would-be baddies and improve the community as a whole. 

Nice post btw and ya its true about the show the best and sell the rest. When i start With Crs i bough them with out see them at first hand and the colors they had it was almost the same as red rilli . Lol. Now when i look back all i can do its a face palm, but i was a big Rookie. So the meaning of my Words is or you trust the seller or u choose them on the stores . Otherwise u can end up with a nice trouble in hands and with a empty pocket

Edited December 17, 201411 yr by linus84

Prime example of crs being called prl