I have finally got around to setting up my old Taiwan Bee shrimp tank (30L) which was shut down when I moved just over a year ago.

I am using Tetra Active Substrate (clay based granules) this time, which doesn't buffer the PH but I will be using remineralised RO water once fully set/sorted. Eventually I hope to keep the Taiwan bee shrimps again but won't be rushing anything at this stage, I will see if I can get the water parameters right and try a batch of 10 (cheap) crystal red shrimp in a couple of months and see how they do for 3-6 months? I will keep the tank simpler this time with a lot less plants. The substrate is obviously releasing nutrients into the tank at this point. I added 50% RO water and 50% tap water (only using part tap water for the start up, will always use RO from this point) and next day parameters were, TDS 232 (200 the day before), GH 9, KH 6, PH 7.5 so is way off at this point but I will do a 50% RO water change in a week and hopefully it will be going in the right direction, not rushing? Tap water here is dreadfull, PH 8 TDS 300...........etc

I do still have a new bag of the JBL substrate in the cupboard but decided it needs a bit too much prep for me for the moment.

 

 

If it doesn't work out for the shrimps then I will get a killifish and dwarf Rasboras as I did before (or other fish that suit the parameters if they are off), but I will be taking it very slow with this tank this time. In reality it is unlikely I will have Taiwan bee shrimps before autumn even if everything goes well but hopefully there will be crystal red shrimp for the summer?

I will keep testing for the 'cycle' but as the PH is likely to drop a fair bit and as discussed with beanbag on here before, that may not be as straight forward as with a 'constant parameter' tank, but anyway, no rush.

 

How exciting!!!

I have just decommissioned 2x 2ft tanks.

Been debating with myself whether to set them up again or just leave them empty.

But looking at your new tank is giving me ideas.

I'm not gettng too excited at this point! The water is way off but I plan to do a 50% water change at the weekend with pure RO water which 'should' bring the parameters nearer to those required. I do quite like the simpler tank setup, the plants came from the betta tank where they had grown too big, so that tank also looks better and the fish has more swimming space. Definitely slow and steady this time, one step at a time. The tank is opposite where I usually sit so it will be good if shrimps work as I will see them much more often than before and in a sparser tank will be able to see more, so keeping my fingers crossed. The substrate was meant to be neutral and ready to use immediately and not buffer the PH, but it must be releasing minerals etc, not a problem at this point but I'm not 100% convinced it will work with the shrimp longterm, but it is still very early on?

What did you have in the now empty tanks? Any ideas for the tanks IF you do decide to keep them going, anything tempting you? 

Edited May 18, 20242 yr by sdlTBfanUK

8 hours ago, sdlTBfanUK said:

What did you have in the now empty tanks?

One was a hospital tank that I could not be bothered maintaining any longer.  

The other was a fry grow out tank, which had Longfin White Cloud Mountain Minnow - Tanichthys Albonubes, that have now grown up enough to be moved into my main fish tank.

I have not settled on any specific ideas yet. Maybe an Australian native tank with one variety of Blue Eye Rainbow fish. Maybe a Killifish tank. 

Edited April 3, 20242 yr by jayc

Good luck in your new tank.  My only suggestion is to NEVER use tap water and always use RO + remineralizer.  Many long-running tanks can suddenly get nuked due to something in the pipes.  (In particular, I'm thinking of that youtube guy Foo the Flowerhorn)

It has been a few weeks now and I have done a couple of large water changes. I tested the water parameters this morning, GH6 and KH2, TDS 140 and PH 7.5. Obviously the PH is off but there isn't anything in the tank that should cause the PH to rise to this figure so I will just run the tank for another month with 10% weekly water changes (probably just with RO water) and see where we are at that point. The RO water tests at PH6, and the KH and GH in the tank could come down as they are at the upper limits for Caridina shrimps! There are only about 10 very small snails in there at this point, but they seem to be doing well enough.

Time for another update!

The PH this morning is 6 and KH 0-1 (you can't measure zero obviously). I plan to check everything tomorrow and then a water change on satuday. At the moment the TDS is 190 which should drop to 170 after a water change and then 150ish after the following/next weeks water change. Last time I checked GH it was 6, but again I will do ALL the tests tomorrow. I had to resort to using a PH/KH- product (AQUACID) to get to where these parameters are now but as the water I use has PH6, GH0 and KH0 I assume/hope I won't need to use that from here on, but will see if the parameters stay stable for the next week and have a PH alert disc in the tank which should indicate any significant change. I don't like using these sort of products as a general rule and wouldn't if there were any shrimps in situ and that product has raised the TDS at about .5TDS per drop.

I may well order some blue bolts towards the end of next week (the road to the house will be closed for a month from 3rd June so it is next week or wait another 6 weeks) and see how that goes. I plan to drip acclimate them overnight this time so as to not rush that as it shouldn't get cold indoors overnight anyway this time of year. This all depends on the tank parameters staying stable for the next week (aside from the mentioned TDS adjustments with the water changes), though the GH  may drop a tiny bit with using just RO to reduce the TDS but that is fine, and even could be a bonus.

I did manage to find some nice floating plant that I had before (good old ebay), and will try and get a photo of that at some point to attach, Azolla red I think it is called?

Anyway, keeping my fingers crossed for now but all appears to be going well at this point! Snails seem to be doing well at least. 

 

Here is a photo of the floating plant (Azolla). Looks great!

I am probably tempting fate by even mentioning this but the first shrimp arrived yesterday and went into the tank today, fingers crossed.............. Pandas and shadow Pandas, I ordered blue bolts and shadow pandas so I may be getting the blue bolts next week free as it was the sellers (ebay) error, but at this stage it is one day at a time - will these survive even.

Keep your fingers crossed for me please! I have to say I am enjoying seeing them in the tank even though black isn't the easiest to see in my tank as the background is black? The parameters are a bit off, GH 7 the main one thats off, but hopefully the 24 hours slow drip will have paid off and the parameters of the sellers tanks were generally close to mine, hence I got them from them for that reason. I guess it will be a 'black and blue' tank as there is no-one selling red ones at the moment, but blue bolts are my favourite and as long as they survive, well thats a bonus on the last attempt anyway so I'll take that as a win! Maybe sometime further down the line I may get back to what I had before??? Not rushing anything this time.

Good luck.  I hope the Ph / KH issue is under control.  If not... Maybe use peat?

Edit:  looking at a previous picture - maybe you should just remove those rocks for now

Edited June 1, 20242 yr by beanbag

Thanks, day 2 in the tank and the shrimp seem fine (not done roll call yet today), I saw 9 (got 11) yesterday and no dead bodies  so I 'assume' the other 2 were hiding somewhere. I drip acclimated them over night so they had a longer acclimate and hopefully that helped, but it is early days yet, however so far so good.

I am looking forward to getting blue bolts at the end of the week but I doubt they will be as pretty as yours, but at this point I will be happy enough as long as they survive. That will be the lot this time so I am calling this tank 'bruiser tank' as it will only be mixed 'black and blue' shrimps! 

I don't have any rocks this time just some small pieces of lava rock. The tests I did yesterday show KH is 0-1 (you can't test for 0 obviously) and PH was 7 on the drop test but the disc meter thing in the tank shows yellow so should be below 7 (the nearest match I think is 6.6) but all the test kits show in stages, and it can be difficult to tell when they are just different shades of the same colour. The seller of the shrimps said his tanks were PH 6.8 so we are at least closely matched. GH should go down slowly with the regular water changes/maintenance etc so hopefully the shrimp can handle it being a little high temporarily, seller had GH 5-6 (I assume 6 drops) and mine is just on 7.

I am pleased with the sparser/simpler tank and the fact I can just glance over and see it when I am in my usual seat is great. I have a stick on thermometer so shouldn't have a similar disaster to before and have the heater set cooler at 21 this time, though in summer the tank will go above that most of the time.

Hope everything is fine with yours!

All done now, I drip acclimated 11 blue bolts and 6 blue steel overnight and they are now in the tank so now is just wait and see if this works. 28 shrimps have now been put in and I have yet to SEE a dead one so fingers crossed! A couple of pictures of some below;

I don't plan on buying any more shrimp so plan this to be a blue shrimp tank, though if it doesn't work out I have seen some female bettas I would like, but hopefully the shrimps will work out. The water parameters are still the same as before, so a bit off!

I need to sort out what foods and shrimp stuff I have in the drawers and cupboard tomorrow as it's been a while, hopefully I find a shrimp lolly so I can give them one/part of those tomorrow, and it may bring as many of the shrimps out as possible. 

Fingers crossed everyone...........

 

I have just done the planned weekly maintenance and 10% water change and everything 'seems' to be going very well, I saw 12 blue and 9 panda shrimps so am very happy about that as there are always some hiding (and they are small) so there must be more than that at this point. Early days yet (especially with the off parameters) with the blues only been in the tank for a week and the pandas for 2 weeks. Not seen any dead ones yet and the shrimp seem happy enough and beautiful colour and pattern, all small so must be young!

Parameters were TDS 159, GH 7-8, KH 1-2, PH 7 yesterday so still a bit off the usual ideal! Hopefully these figures come down slowly in time, I used pure RO water for the water change so Tds should drop 10. I will get a different PH test kit with a narrower range/increments as the one I have measures in .5 increments over a wide range which is probably a bit much. I bought these shrimp because the sellers parameters (PH 6.8) were the closest to mine so hopefully it will work out long term. I changed my zerowater filter as well, as the old one was measuring TDS 6 so passed its best.

I will definitely overnight drip acclimate shrimp in the future, not that I plan any more in the forseeable future.

I will add/edit photo when available, hopefully later today.

Looks very nice! Similar scope to what I'm looking to do so am snooping for inspiration!

 

After another few weeks, how is everyone going? 

Edited July 3, 20241 yr by DemonCat

I am still thinking it is 50/50 at this stage and will see what happens after another month! Th parameters seem to be slowly getting there, when I tested a few days ago, PH 6.5, KH 0-1, GH 6-7, TDS 150. I have around 10 shrimp left (25 were put in a month ago) but we did have a few hot days which ran together last week which killed at least a few, tank water got to 28 overnight, got a/c during the day, but that requires having the window open for the exhaust hose when running so a bit risky to leave it running all night. I may invest in some specific cooling if this works out for longer with shrimps, but we don't get much hot weather in the UK usually? The remaining shrimp seem fine, swimming about and coming out when I add food. I tried shrimp lollies but they aren't bothered with those at all so they seem to be just a good way of gathering snails to remove and keep their numbers down.

If most of the remaining shrimp survive another month I will likely try some more, and by then hopefully ALL the parameters will be good and within the acceptable range as only GH seems to be a bit off. If I didn't have the shrimps in the tank I would try another 50% water change, but for now I will just see what happens in the next month with regular weekly water changes and running/parameter testing etc.

have a fan blow across the top of the tank, or get one of those U-shaped air conditioners that allow you to keep the window mostly closed

We just had another 3-4 hot (for UK) days where the tank seems to have gone up to 26 and I think no shrimp died this time, though last time it got a bit higher the smaller shrimp died off so I guess they are more sensitive to the heat. I took the cover off the tank so that any heat can rise.

I have just tested the parameters and they seem to be great, Ph 6.5, Gh 5-6, Kh 0-1, TDS 134 so aim to stop using unmineralised RO water from here onwards. If the remaing shrimp seem ok for another 2 weeks (as they have for the past 2 weeks) then I will likely get one more delivery of about 20 shrimps, 10 red wine, 5 panda and 5 blue bolts???? The shrimp that have survived so far are the blue bolts, all the pandas died off but they were the first added when the parameters were further off, and about half the blue bolts also died but they were very small  ones mainly and as mentioned, I think the heat did them in.

So, it is looking quite hopeful at this point but I will make that final decision at the end of the month. If it is still going well and there are no more deaths I will order some more shrimps and look into getting some sort of fan cooling setup for future hot periods! 

How is it all going your end beanbag?

I think my Betta won't last very much longer, he is just sitting at the bottom and won't eat, lt can't be the water getting too hot as the shrimps are fine and the water likely only topped out at 28 degrees max. as with the other shrimp tank, as they are next to each other? There isn't anything visibly wrong with him other than not eating or swimming around as he used too. 

The Betta did die a few days later so that tank only has snails and red cherry shrimp at the moment and I may try half a dozen endler guppies in that tank at some point! If not then another betta?

The shrimp tank is doing well. I don't think I have lost a shrimp in the last 3 weeks, since the parameters got better and stable. I plan to get some (10) red wine shrimps in the next few weeks to go in with the blue bolts that have survived. We are having a warm week in the UK and luckily I had ordered a JBL cooling fan for the tank which arrived yesterday,.This morning the tank was 23 degrees when the room was 26 so these things do seem to work, though there was a lot of evaporation overnight involved, so I am dripping in RO water to counter that. There are no baby shrimp or evidence of any berried yet?

I did see a planaria a few days ago so have done a treatment for that with the SL Aqua Z1 but that is no chore, just add a scoop and all is done, there isn't a large 'infestation' which would involve a water change or any other additional work, and it doesn't seem to have harmed any snails, yet anyway, that I have seen.

The beautiful floating weed I got seems to have vanished, or more accurately morphed into duckweed so I will just let some of that duckweed remain, and keep on top of that.

Glad to hear that everything is going well, apart from your betta. It had a nice life in your tank.

 

We are having another few hot days (by our standards anyway, UK 30 degrees outside) so the fans and a/c are in full use again. I haven't seen any problems in the tank or any dead shrimp, and the quantity seems constant!

I have ordered some red wine, red bolt and red steel shrimps for delivery wednesday and I will acclimate those overnight, thankfully that day is forecast to be a bit cooler, so hopefully that will be as forecast, and I am having a chance to double check my routine for keeping the tank cooler in the heat before the new ones arrive so that's good. 

The shrimps are currently swimming around like crazy so they obviously like something about the weather, albeit being kept a bit cooler?

I haven't seen another planaria so am assuming that is sorted! Also no trace of any shrimplets or berried females as yet but early days yet!

Hopefully I can get some photos to attach soon, and all continues to go well?

 

Edit - New Shrimp Photo

Edited August 14, 20241 yr by sdlTBfanUK
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Got the last lot of shrimps yesterday! A few extreme blue bolts, a few shadow panda and a few panda, as pictured below. I acclimated them overnight as before.

I doubt they will breed this year as we are entering autumn now and they are probably too young at this point.

I think it is safe enough to say that this time has been a success! Taken 5 months to this point.

Last weekend I replaced the deceased Betta with some rainbow endler guppies in the other tank, the water is quite hard here and they seem happy enough! It is a great feeling that the tanks are DONE and it is just a case of enjoying from here on, just feeding and routine maintenance etc.

If I get a good photo of the tank and shrimp I will add that, otherwise I don't expect to post further to this thread, unless anyone has questions etc in the future.

In case anyone is interested, the shrimps were from shrimpcorner.co.uk, they seem to be reasonably priced and superb colours. I believe they have won some awards in the past as well if I recall correctly, and I definitely would recommend them (UK based).

Just a couple of update photos;

very nice!

Just thought I would do an update;

It was clearly a mistake cycling the tank with our hard tap water. note to self, start as you plan to run it normally. I suspect the substrate absorbed some of thee hardness from the water and then when I was using RO water plus GH+ it started with good parameters but then it went wild within days.  This meant I lot of the original shrimps and I was at the point of giving up. The plants grew fine, too fine and the snails are way too numerous - I will get some assassin snails at some point. Parameters now sit at PH 5, TDS 140(ish), GH 5, KH 1, but I will keep a close eye on these.

Everything has settled nicely now (past 2 months) and the parameters are steady now and I have a dozen mixed shrimps of the originals that look healthy and happy, acting normal anyway. I am hoping to get 10 other assorted RED shrimp later this week as it is now warrm enough overnight that they can be drip acclimated overnight! I removed one of the plants and will have to trim the otther but otherwise I am happy enoigh with the setup. I will get some photos later in the week, probably when the shrimp arrive???

A bit depressing looking at the old pictures earlier in this thread and realising how many beautiful shrimp I have lost, but I am at least quite sure all is well now so will try a few more this summer. Also the floating weed which I really liked has all gone, maybe it prefers harder water, but it was a bit of a pain anyway as it was always in the way when trying to do the usual tegular tank maintenance?

 

 

 

Edited May 1, 20251 yr by sdlTBfanUK
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12 hours ago, sdlTBfanUK said:

note to self, start as you plan to run it normally.

Glad to see some life and activity on SKFA.

Great tip - start it like you plan to run it.

 

Ever since I installed a rain tank and started using rain water for everything, a lot, and I mean a LOT of the usual issues to do with water has been eliminated, if not reduced to a manageable level. I totally recommend it. I have an RO filter that I don't ever use anymore.
 

While you have been setting up new tanks, I have gone the opposite way. Reduced my collection by 1 tank this Easter break. Still hanging onto the equipment, I don't know what for. But I have several empty tanks and associated equipment just piling up in the garage. I'll bite the bullet and get rid of them one day. 

I know it's a bit quiet here, as it seems most forum traffic has moved onto places like Facebook and Reddit, where people like to post for "likes" or other accolades.  Anyway, I hope to see pictures again of your mixed shrimp.