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Kinda funny that most people in Germany don't like them anymore. Don't know why, but they are not popular. Also as far as I know, the smiley is the 'end station' according to patterns. I believe you cannot create other patterns from a Smiley group. When talking about smiley K14, this is what I have in mind:

There's only one way to find out...

How about something like: Commonly known as the Crystal Red Shrimp (CRS) or Crystal Black Shrimp (CBS), this freshwater dwarf species is popular amongst shrimp keepers around the world. They prefer cooler water temperatures (21-25 degrees Celsius) and a pH range of 6.0-7.0.

My setup is definitely not glamorous but very effective. Lol

This problem is not 1 breeder but a few as I bought from 6 to mix bloodlines at a later time.All shrimp were kept in separate tanks so I could record who supplied what for later reference when wanting more.Juust needed to vent and let others know to be aware of the problems I faced.Hopfully this thread will make breeders think a bit more of what they sell and help bring back the quality to the shrimp on offer to others.

This blue theme is works so well with the new logo. Gw nogi

Yeah it seems to come down to the seller. Personally i wouldnt really want SKF to enforce a rule that all sellers must post parentage and all water parameter to make a sale post in the marketplace. Mainly cause its already pretty dead lol. I am pretty sure a active market place would help grow membership to the forum (cause it's one of the main reasons I joined). Anyways off topic it may be a option that we use to help keep standards up atleast within this forum. Another option is for ppl to tweak the breeder awards to something like a seller award. So when you sell for example crs you get a crs seller award. Then the buyer can click a like button if he is happy with what he got, eventually good sellers will have lots of likes. Dont know if its possible or not but if we can brainstorm together maybe we can come up with a way to get the marketplace active here and safeguard our members?

No problem GC glad to have been able to help you out. Good luck with it all and I would say that all the oxygenating plants you have added is what has helped things progress so quickly. With all you have added I have no doubt you will have a beautiful, biologically filtered pond in no time and some very happy inhabitats.

that looks sh!t, sh!t hot! i love the new logos they are awesome!

It all takes time but it will be worth it!

Well how about I just make that the default theme and people can change to the grey if they don't like it. The grey now has the larger single shrimp image

I'll leave it up for a little bit longer before putting the other one back. Maybe I'll make the other one a little larger.

Ok, the revised text I've sent to my guy is as follows: and to put this somewhere:

I believe the page admins are trying to make it more user friendly for the buyers and to encourage more information being shared prior to purchase. But it comes down to what the seller offers up.

True true Grubs! They will be getting more attention soon. Need to adjust airline there, finish shelving and sump. I was getting despondent at how long I was taking so I occasionally turn the lights on to feel like it's closer to completion. So sad!! And the wheelie chair is the best. Again only put this in place after I noticed yours in an earlier post Ineke.

How do you measure KH? KH might look like 0, but I bet it's not actually 0. KH 0 or 1 is very similar on test kits. But I have no issues with using KH range 0-2 in a poster as an introduction to new shrimpkeepers. If we say GH range is 4-6, then a 300 TDS range is unrealistic. It's very hard, especially for a person new to the hobby, to maintain GH 4-6, while TDS is way over 200. A TDS range of 100-200 would be more realistic. I mentioned a tight range because I live by the motto "Aim small, miss small". And I agree with your other parameters.

Its glamorous enough... but those many empty tanks along the back need some lovin' too.

I think what Ineke is saying is, she prefers the 2 shrimp logo over the single shrimp logo on the top of the forum.

I noticed recently sellers are requireed to provide wp such as TDS ph gh kh and temp. Some also provide parent and grand parent history with pictures. Maybe it would help quality if this was encouraged. Saying this people can still lie so it may not matter.

I also use a wheelie chair lol. go the horizontal ad hoccers!!

It was quite amusing when the guy that did the logo for me asked why we were changing the really cool logo we already had. He felt it was better than the one he draw for me lol

Looking good Jamie! You have heaps of tanks now! I have a wheelie chair too- it's great to scoot from tank to tank. That's why I love my horizontal setup -I don't have to get up and down to see the shrimp they are all on one level!

Unfortunately, no. I have not seen of a canister filter that can be split into multiple lines. It doesn't mean you can't DIY such a system. A sump might be a better solution. Otherwise the only option is use 4 separate canister filters. It isn't such a bad idea. I use separate canister filters for all my tanks.

Glad it arrived quickly!! Sorry for slow reply. Thanks again everyone for participating!!!

I have seen some images of 'pure' tb for sale that, from my limited experience, I am certain have pinto genes. One thing I notice in my tb type offspring from pinto line is they all 99% have the white eyestalks, this is what gives them the 'angel eye' look when young. It was the first thing I noticed and have not seen in my pure tb lines. If others have this in pure TB lines please tell me, I may be on the wrong track. Unfortunately on the sale page in question you can't post any negative comments, and as I wasn't interested in buying so I haven't questioned the seller. I try not to get involved but don't want anyone getting stung. It's especially painful if you have clear breeding programs in mind, aside from the $$$ involved.

I agree with newbreed, it will get worse before it gets better and unfortunately doing research doesn't guarantee that you won't be ripped off. I am aware of what happened to daydream, they were bought from someone who has a good reputation. The problem with reputation in shrimp is that it is easily gained by posting up a couple of good pics,i have noticed especially on facebook that alot of people that give others a good reputation aren't buying shrimp they are only looking at pictures. if you are selling crap it will catch up with you eventually but it takes time. I don't agree that it could be an honest mistake to bag up culls and sell them as quality, especially the number of culls that were in the bags. Cheers mick

Hopefully we are getting past the people that are in it for money as things become cheaper. It's the same with fish and reptiles, when something new comes along the first group of people getting it are either in for the money or love and once the prices drop the people in it for money move on to the next big thing and the ones left clean up the mess. I was giving culls away when I first got into shrimp but once I found some people onselling my culls as quality and some even using my name to sell them i decided that it was better for the hobby to feed them off. Now I don't give away or sell culls, i don't sell much at all and when I do I sell pairs, never juvies. I'm having too much fun working on my own lines at the moment to care about selling. Cheers mick

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