Amano Shrimps

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I've got clado in My tanks and heard amano shrimps live them....are they available here ? Besides Excel, any other solution, besides manual extraction... .? What's the main reason that promotes clado growth....assumed phosphates were the major cause ? Any clado experts ?

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I guess I could be classified as a clado expert cause I'm an expert at growing it! Lol. I've tried Typhus, no light, some algae remedies & still I have a tank full of it, I have to do a major job with the tweezers every month or so & it does my head in, I'm really keen to know what works too! :encouragement:

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low phosphates, too much light and bad flow will cause clado!

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tested my phosphates previously, and it wasn't even registering any….. but not keen on deliberately increasing phosphates, plus the lighting in the tanks considered low light…..and there's lots of flow…..

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I battled clado long and hard in a few tanks and ended up wining the fight by painstaking removal combined with reducing daily photo-period from 10 hours to 6 and using 2-3 day black outs every week or 2 for a few months. I had previously tried both excel and Hydrogen peroxide spot treatments that did some damage but not enough. I recently came across an article that might be of some use that uses both Excel and H202 in a technique I have not tried. I would give this a go if I still had an algae problem, although I'm not 100% sure it would be safe for more sensitive shrimp I would be willing to try it with cherries or perhaps move the shrimp to another tank until the treatment is finished.Here is the article originally written by DarkCobra over on plantedtank.net:

PREFACE:This is a technique I've developed. While I've provided this info in several threads now as personalized help, I feel it deserves a full write-up in its own thread.In brief: It uses a properly executed H2O2 whole tank treatment, followed by a whole tank Excel treatment, to provide a much greater algicidal effect than either alone; without noticeably increased risk to fauna or plants.This has been performed by me many times, and by others only a few. While in all cases no adverse effects were observed, I cannot guarantee it to be 100% safe. Only through many more tests in a wide variety of tanks can that be established. Keep that in mind should you decide to try it, and if you do, please share your results in this thread.Even if you don't try this, you may still find some of it informative.FIRST PUNCH: H2O2Whole tank H2O2 treatments don't get much attention. The results are typically very poor, at least until you get into such doses that fauna are at risk; and after a few failed attempts, most folks understandably write this option off.But the truth is, most people perform this treatment completely wrong.The WRONG Way:Typically, the first thing done is to turn off the filters and lights. Already, one mistake has potentially been made, and a path paved to another.Turning off the filters does prevent H2O2 from flowing through the biomedia. That's good, because we don't want the H2O2 to kill too much nitrifying bacteria, nor want the H2O2 depleted at this point in reaction with these bacteria. But often, this leaves little or no flow in the tank.The effect of any chemical is determined by: Concentration * Flow * Time.A H2O2 spot treatment works with no flow, solely because of the incredibly high concentration at the location where it's applied. But in a whole tank treatment, it's far more dilute. So instead, high flow is required to carry it around the tank, to contact the algae and have some positive effect.Without that, there is only one place where high flow is occurring. Fish gills. And that is the one thing we don't want the H2O2 reacting with!Moving on now. The H2O2 is added. Some amount of time is allowed to elapse, a half hour or so. Then the treatment is "terminated", by turning filters and lights back on. This is the next mistake.Virtually all of the H2O2 still exists in the tank, because without flow, very little of it has reacted with anything. While light does break down H2O2, this is measured in days - even in direct sunlight. Not minutes. So the light has no effect, in the time scales we're working with.The biofilter at least is now reducing the H2O2. And with flow restored, the H2O2 is at last starting to have some effect on the algae. But the fish are already getting close to suffering noticeable stress. The full concentration of H2O2 has been flowing through their gills for a half hour, completely without reason since this time did nothing to kill the algae. And they will continue to be exposed to gradually lessening concentrations, further increasing the stress, as the filter slowly removes it. It may take another half hour before H2O2 is sufficiently reduced.The RIGHT Way:As I said before, Concentration * Flow * Time.So if you want an effective treatment, provide massive flow during the entire treatment period. Since flow is constant through fish gills, to protect them you shorten the time, by wasting none of it with periods where the algae isn't affected, and correctly terminating the treatment. If this is done, the increase in safety is actually enough that concentration can be increased.First, prepare the tank. You want as much flow as possible. If you have extra powerheads, add them. If your sole source of flow is your filters, you'll have to temporarily remove the filter media to a bucket of tank water, and leave the filters on. Otherwise, this is optional but still beneficial. I have a cheap Koralia clone that with 1,320GPH flow, turned out to be too much for any of my tanks; but I keep it around because it's ideal for this treatment.If you have Marimo balls, temporarily remove them to a bucket of tank water as well. Cladophora is very hardy, and normally not affected by whole tank H2O2 treatments. But this treatment can burn them badly, especially on sides exposed to direct flow. If they're also infested with undesirable algae, they can be treated simply by keeping them in the bucket in a dark place for a week. They can tolerate extremely long blackouts without harm, unlike other algae.Keep the lights on. Light has no effect on the H2O2, only your ability to see what's going on.Now add 3% H2O2, at a dosage of 4 tbsp. per 10G of actual tank water volume (excluding substrate, plants, etc). Yes, that's double what's typically used; as explained previously we can use a higher concentration.Allow to circulate for 15 minutes. During this time, redirect flow a few times if possible, to make sure all areas get covered. If you have particular trouble spots, try to ensure they get direct flow during part of the treatment.Now terminate the treatment. Do a 50% water change, or more if you know it's well tolerated. Return the tank to its normal configuration, including replacing filter media if it was removed.Less hardy algae may be effectively killed by this alone, especially if flow was good. But all algae will be weakened, and now it's time for:SECOND PUNCH: EXCELAny remaining algae not killed by the H2O2 is now extremely susceptible to Excel.If you weren't already using Excel, or were using it at the recommended dose, add Seachem's recommended initial dose of 5ml per 10G. No further large doses are necessary in this case. Algae builds up some tolerance to Excel, similar to sensitive plants like Vals. In this case, the H2O2 treatment followed by a single, sudden Excel spike is enough to quickly finish algae off.If you were already using Excel overdoses, continue using the previous dose.Enjoy your algae-free tank. If there are any underlying problems that caused the algae outbreak in the first place, correct them so your tank stays algae-free. In some cases, a thorough algae removal like this is enough to improve plant health to the point where algae will not return.CLOSING NOTES:I've used this treatment many times over the course of the last year.It was originally developed to deal with what I call my SOS, "Staghorn On Steroids", as featured in my signature. SOS doesn't behave quite according to the rules. Like most algae it likes high light, but will thrive in medium light if flow is high. It laughs at high CO2, H2O2 spot treatments, and Excel spot/tank treatments. But it falls hard to the "One-Two Punch", and I relied on this treatment heavily when trying to figure out how to keep it from growing. Which took a while, during which time I probably would have given up in frustration if I hadn't found a way to periodically eliminate it, without ripping out half my plants after each failed tank parameter adjustment.I've tried it on other algae too, mostly out of curiosity rather than necessity. Works great. Burning my Marimo balls was a nasty surprise, but certainly showed how effective it is, as they've never been affected by any other algicidal treatment. Should I ever have an invasive clado problem, I expect this might be able to eliminate it.I've never seen any adverse effect on the more sensitive inhabitants of my tank; including otos, cories, bamboo shrimp, ramshorn and pond snails. No idea if it's safe for other shrimp, as I keep no other varieties. I'd like to see someone try it on a tank with a few expendable cherries. Java moss was unaffected. I have some anacharis, which is particularly sensitive to Excel, but which I've gradually acclimated to a normal dose; it too is unharmed by this treatment. Hopefully others can soon add their experiences.Off-topic but related. Recently I see the use of AlgaeFix being more freely discussed, now that certain people have finally softened their views on it, and mentioning it no longer results in guaranteed chastisement. Yes, it works, I've used it, and it's certainly easier than my method. But it isn't safe for invertebrates. Several times I've also had fish severely stressed or killed by AlgaeFix, and although in the majority of cases this doesn't happen, I consider it a gamble. I have an idea why this occurs different from other hypothesis I've seen, and how it might be avoided, but that's a topic for another thread I'll soon post. At this time I consider my treatment possibly safer than AlgaeFix when a powerful full tank treatment is required, and certainly usable in more circumstances.Hope this proves useful to you!

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i remember this article, think the name of it was "one two punch technique!" pretty unique name :)

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i wish i saw this last year...had a heap of it appear and it destroyed my tank! :(

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I've got clado in My tanks and heard amano shrimps live them....are they available here ? Besides Excel' date=' any other solution, besides manual extraction... .? What's the main reason that promotes clado growth....assumed phosphates were the major cause ? Any clado experts ?[/quote']

Do you want me to give you some riffles to try out ?

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Gday Garry, Why not.....be interesting to see ....PM'd you... Thanks