Orange vs sunkist - differences

[KaridinaGal]

Hi, I'm hoping someone on here knows if there is a difference genetically between sunkist orange cherry shrimp and regular orange cherry shrimp, which are a lot darker in colour than the sunkist.

I've had a new colony of sunkist for the last couple of months.  When I got them I was surprised at how pale they are.  Big bonus though is that a third of them are also rili.   I have had the normal orange cherry shrimp for about 18months.  They are a lot darker in colour, like the colour of an orange(fruit).

I placed a mature orange female in with the sunkist & tonight I just noticed she is berried.   Is this likely to be a good match, genetically, or are they totally different in that regard & so the babies may turn out to be a bit blah?

Any advice greatly appreciated.  I will post photos shortly of the shrimp in question :)  

Thanks.

 

[KaridinaGal]

Hi, I'm hoping someone on here knows if there is a difference genetically between sunkist orange cherry shrimp and regular orange cherry shrimp, which are a lot darker in colour than the sunkist.
I've had a new colony of sunkist for the last couple of months.  When I got them I was surprised at how pale they are.  Big bonus though is that a third of them are also rili.   I have had the normal orange cherry shrimp for about 18months.  They are a lot darker in colour, like the colour of an orange(fruit).
I placed a mature orange female in with the sunkist & tonight I just noticed she is berried.   Is this likely to be a good match, genetically, or are they totally different in that regard & so the babies may turn out to be a bit blah?
Any advice greatly appreciated.  I will post photos shortly of the shrimp in question :)  
Thanks.
 

Here's some pics of the orange girl who's now berried & the sunkist group that contains the father.

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[KaridinaGal]

Here's some pics of the orange girl who's now berried & the sunkist group that contains the father.

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& a shot of her tonight.

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[Sheldon13]

OMG they are so cute!  How did the babies turn out?

[KaridinaGal]

OMG they are so cute!  How did the babies turn out?

None of the bubs were rili, a few were dark orange like the mum & the rest seemed to be the same pale orange/hot yellow of the sunkist. I can't know for sure which shrimp is the dad though, a rili or a normal.
The rili portion of the colony seem to be getting less & less. I started with 5rili & 7 that didn't seem to have any rili on them at all. Obviously rili is totally recessive.

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[edishrimp]

Really nice shrimp!

Based on what I know so far, Sunkist shrimp belong to the Neocaridina group and thus are able to complete their life cycle in freshwater. As for orange shrimp, I'm not entirely sure what their subspecies is but their fry require brackish water to grow up (something like Amanos?) so I'm not entirely sure if those orange shrimp are indeed cherrys ?

Orange Shrimp (Pintrest)

Sunkist Shrimp

 

Hope this helps ? 

Edited July 23, 2018 by edishrimp

[Zoidburg]

There's Orange Sunkist Neocaridina and then there's Orange Sunkist Caridina....

In Neocaridina, it refers to a color mutation of cherry shrimp, N. davidi.

In Caridina, it is the species. This is the one that requires brackish(?) water for the larvae/zoe to grow into adults. You can differentiate these shrimp from Neocaridina varieties by the "humped back" and then the red and white banding on the "hump".

I believe the images shown by edishrimp are essentially the same shrimp.... N. davidi. (that, or the photos are poorly colored Caridina that people are using as an example to sell the Neocaridina variety as...)

The names for these two shrimp are, unfortunately, interchangeable between them. This thus results in a lot of confusion between what people actually have.

 

Either way, the Caridina variety is scientifically known as Caridina cf. Propinqua for anyone who wants to look into this species more.

[edishrimp]

32 minutes ago, Zoidburg said:

There's Orange Sunkist Neocaridina and then there's Orange Sunkist Caridina....

In Neocaridina, it refers to a color mutation of cherry shrimp, N. davidi.

In Caridina, it is the species. This is the one that requires brackish(?) water for the larvae/zoe to grow into adults. You can differentiate these shrimp from Neocaridina varieties by the "humped back" and then the red and white banding on the "hump".

I believe the images shown by edishrimp are essentially the same shrimp.... N. davidi. (that, or the photos are poorly colored Caridina that people are using as an example to sell the Neocaridina variety as...)

The names for these two shrimp are, unfortunately, interchangeable between them. This thus results in a lot of confusion between what people actually have.

 

Either way, the Caridina variety is scientifically known as Caridina cf. Propinqua for anyone who wants to look into this species more.

Well shoot! Thanks so much for the clarification. Was really confused when I tried to google images for either because I have kept the Caridina var of Orange Sunkist Shrimp and I was really annoyed and confused that I kept seeing berried shrimp but no shrimplets ? 

[Zoidburg]

I've seen some of the Caridina both in Oregon and in Nevada (USA). Not sure about the ones in Oregon (didn't ask), but the ones here in Nevada were being sold as Neocaridinas... as smart as the people are, or were, at the shop that were selling them, they honestly don't know much about shrimp. ?  (common for this area...)

I saw one person who thought they had the Caridina variety and was elated to find out the babies hatched as miniature adults... but they had the Neocaridina variety...


I've heard that, as a general rule of thumb, if the shrimp goes through a larval/zoe stage, they require brackish to saltwater to grow into adults. This isn't true for Malaya and possibly Caridina typus? Ghost/grass shrimp it could be hit or miss? Some species breed purely in freshwater, where-as others require brackish or even salt for their offspring to grow?


I've got larvae of some kind of shrimp right now, and I feel as if they are even smaller than amano larvae... and of course, the adults are in fact smaller than amanos... lol still bigger than cherry shrimp though! Regardless of the species, these babies can be extremely hard to see, even with normal vision. The Sunkist Caridina are even smaller shrimp... I'm not sure if their babies would be the same size or smaller? (if that's even possible!)

[jayc]

Haven't seen you around for a while @Zoidburg

[Zoidburg]

@jayc Looks like the last time I was here was pre-shrimpageddon... that was not a fun time... but so happen to be just over a year ago...

[KaridinaGal]

I've seen some of the Caridina both in Oregon and in Nevada (USA). Not sure about the ones in Oregon (didn't ask), but the ones here in Nevada were being sold as Neocaridinas... as smart as the people are, or were, at the shop that were selling them, they honestly don't know much about shrimp. [emoji20]  (common for this area...)
I saw one person who thought they had the Caridina variety and was elated to find out the babies hatched as miniature adults... but they had the Neocaridina variety...


I've heard that, as a general rule of thumb, if the shrimp goes through a larval/zoe stage, they require brackish to saltwater to grow into adults. This isn't true for Malaya and possibly Caridina typus? Ghost/grass shrimp it could be hit or miss? Some species breed purely in freshwater, where-as others require brackish or even salt for their offspring to grow?


I've got larvae of some kind of shrimp right now, and I feel as if they are even smaller than amano larvae... and of course, the adults are in fact smaller than amanos... lol still bigger than cherry shrimp though! Regardless of the species, these babies can be extremely hard to see, even with normal vision. The Sunkist Caridina are even smaller shrimp... I'm not sure if their babies would be the same size or smaller? (if that's even possible!)

Hi Zoidburg, thanks for all the info. I didn't know about Caradina orange shrimp. Both my types of orange are neocaridina.
I have had the regular davidii in orange for a while now, that's the darkest girl in the pics I posted.
About a year ago I bought a small colony of Sunkist orange that had a number of rili in there too, but their hue of orange is totally different to my other orange davidii, more of a burnt yellow. So I was wondering if genetically they are the same colour being as it's so much deeper on my original ones than the newer Sunkist.
The babies from the cross appear to be mostly the same colour as the Sunkist but none with rili patterning. There were two that were darker true orange but not as dark as the mum.

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[Zoidburg]

There's no doubt that yours are Neocaridina KaridinaGal! :)  The orange female is stunning in that group!

 

Sorry though, can't answer your question on the genetics part of it! Wish I knew! Shrimp genetics gets so confusing! Particularly in Neos!