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Hello, just bought some cherries recently that came with mad vorticella " tried to spell it lol. But could be fungus or something else, I don't have a good enough cam to show a pic anyhow sorry.

Seller packed them in breather bags tied with rubber bands then put normal sealed freezer bags over them and thought this was ok? just told me to F off. Great...

So the guy can't even follow simple instructions on a breather bag.

Anyway, I now have to treat the remaining few left, I've already tried a salt bath at 1tsp/ cup.

Im not sure what I did wrong with the salt bath or maybe it's another disease idk I know very little about treating shrimp for disease as I've been lucky enough to not need to till now. That's what happens when livestock has no air for 4days.

so I've got some tri-sulphur tablets to try. So far can't see them containing copper.

are these shrimp safe?

any advice appreciated as they are declining bad and I think I'll need to move fast to keep them they look quite shaky. 

Half died the day they arrived, the last few dropped the next day, introduced into a fully established thriving cherry tank with no deaths and high rate of success for raising juvies. This is like shrimp herpes I swear all my shrimp are declining now. 

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16 hours ago, Zebra said:

bought some cherries recently that came with mad vorticella

Would be good to get a close up picture of it for proper identification. 

16 hours ago, Zebra said:

Seller packed them in breather bags tied with rubber bands then put normal sealed freezer bags over them

Amateur!

That's not how you use breather bags. 

 

16 hours ago, Zebra said:

Im not sure what I did wrong with the salt bath

A salt bath should be sufficient for vorticella. Unless it is not vorticella.

That picture would be good about now.

Check the Diseases & Diagnosis thread that Rev linked. Follow the quantities as accurately as possible.

A second salt bath might be needed.

 

16 hours ago, Zebra said:

introduced into a fully established thriving cherry tank with no deaths and high rate of success for raising juvies. This is like shrimp herpes I swear all my shrimp are declining now. 

Did you put the infected shrimp in with your existing, healthy shrimp?

That's not such a good idea. 

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The one worst infected died that day.

Thanks mate, yeah it was a bad idea, highly trusted seller to start. I have it under control now, I only separated and treated the infected shrimp then cleaned up the whole tank and have seen no deaths from my existing red colony. If the shrimp are healthy in the first place they aren't as susseptible to infections hey? Cause none of my shrimp caught it. 

Bought 10 chocs and 

10 yellows.

they spent 4 days in the post packed like this... none were dead in the bag, but already sickly looking, my mate said they would all die regardless of what I do.

i lost 4 of each before introducing them to the tank.

and another 2 of each that just didn't recover.

Yeah I told him to watch a YouTube video on how to use breather bag stuff properly or at the  very least read the instructions on the bag, He said that was abusing him...

Then started saying his missus bagged them and the story kept changing. Then apparently the outter bags were breathers Aswell. They feel different hey? Like breather bags are rubbery and kind of stretch, and usually have instructions on them. They were just freezer bags. 

He just told me to F off before I even had a chance to ask for a refund.

Sorry I can't upload any pics yet till I upgrade my membership, I've been meaning to, just broke haha

Well I tested the tri-sulphar on some glass shrimp I had laying around and since yesterday they haven the died. 

Ive hit the chocs that were worst affected with tri sulphar after the last death, I figured why not? Worth taking a gamble rather then losing the lot. So I dosed at the standard recommended dose, and lost none overnight. Water change this morning. They seem happy, All the white fuzz is gone completely. They are in a seperate tank.

so now I need to buy chocs and yellows again cause I really had my heart set on them. :) 

 

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Oh and I'm pretty sure they are all male Aswell. Haha  I could be wrong there but they are all shaped like males from what I can see. 

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16 hours ago, Zebra said:

All the white fuzz is gone completely.

Excellent! That's good news. How's the surviving shrimp doing?

I can update the article to include tri sulfur.

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On 23/12/2016 at 6:07 AM, Zoidburg said:

You could upload the images to an external image hosting website (Facebook, image set to public, or?), then link the images here.

Cheers, Ive been meaning to do this, But I wanted to support the site anyway so I just became a premium Member?

 

 

On 23/12/2016 at 9:37 AM, jayc said:

Excellent! That's good news. How's the surviving shrimp doing?

I can update the article to include tri sulfur.

 

They were out and about this morning, And look really healthy, Though they spend alot of time hiding behind a rock at the back, They are still new to the tank and its got quite a bright light. Other Healthy shrimp ive had in there did the same thing when first introduced to the tank so im hoping all is well. Going to do another WC today to make sure theres no Tri-sulphar left that could be damaging the BB
I backed right off on the ferts and turned off the co2 prior to introducing them to get a nice algael growth happening and just to help them settle in without stress. But yeah I havent lost any others so far "touch wood" 
So going to leave the light off for a few days just to make sure they are healthy. 
Co2 is even back on now. Still seems odd that none of my exsisting shrimp had it,Eh I have lots of pics to upload including how they were bagged.
Cheers

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