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This is still a draft now final but can still be updated to accommodate new info. Please help me refine the terminology, and let me know if I have forgotten anything that has to be included.

Common Terminology

Tigers, Crystals and Taiwan Bees will all breed together. Here are some common terms or names that are used in the Shrimp hobby to describe various shrimp.

The following picture from rah-bop will paint a better image as we go through the descriptions.

Refer back to this picture as you read the descriptions.

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What is a Tibee?

A tibee is a hybrid between any Tiger (OEBT - orange eye blue tiger or also blonde tiger) - and usually a Taiwan Bee (TB)


can also be hybrid between any Tiger and Crystals - CBS (Crystal Black Shrimp) and CRS (Crystal Red Shrimp).

The preference is to cross with a Taiwan Bee. Since TBs are rarer and more expensive, you might not have enough TBs to breed. Using a Tiger as a partner to the Taiwan Bee, will ensure some genes are carried over when you cross the Tibee back with the Taiwan Bee parent. It's offspring could yield some Taiwan Bees.

Crystals are more common. So a Tibee from TigerXCrystal is not as sought after. But nature can throw up some amazing colours from this hybrid too. I am working on a TigerXCRS myself to try to get some Red Tiger tibees.

What is a TaiTibee?

A Taitibee is a Tibee crossed back with a Taiwan Bee.

What is a Pinto?

A Pinto is a colour variation and type of Taitibee.

There are 3 variants of patterns:

  • Spotted Head
  • Zebra
  • Fancy - Such as skunk pattern and cloud patterns. The creative name for skunk pattern is derived from the black-and-white pattern, which very much resembles that of a skunk, especially due to the pattern on the head. And as the name suggests, the Cloud pattern very much resembles clouds shapes on the head of the shrimp.

Colouration of pintos generally come in either black or red base.

Black Zebra Pinto

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Red Zebra Pinto

zebra-pinto red.jpg

Cloud Pinto

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Skunk Pinto


What is a Mischling?

Mischling is a German word for "crossbreed" (plural: Mischlinge).

A mischling (in the shrimp hobby) is a hybrid cross between Crystals and Taiwan Bees.

When this crossbred mischling is crossed with another CRS, it's genetics are diluted, and you get a small % of Taiwan Bees.

When mischlings are crossed with another mischling it's genetics are even more diluted. And the % of TB are even smaller to the point of never getting a TB. It's like striking Lotto.

However, when you cross a mischling back with a Taiwan Bee, you get a larger % of TBs, but with the added benefit of strengthening it's gene pool when it's original parents were mixed with a CRS.

BlueBolts has already started an excellent sticky thread on Mischling here:


This article is a supplement to information already on SKF. It is by no means trying to supersede any information found elsewhere.

Here is an excellent explanation from Ineke as well “Taiwan Bees crossed with Crystals give Mischlings which are then crossed back to Taiwan Bees to help people get to their goals quicker in having more Taiwan Bees (TB) however on this forum we like to let people know when Mischling bloodlines appear in our breeding so more initials are added. If you get a King Kong (KK) Bluebolt (BB), Panda or any other TB from a TB/ Mischling cross we like to let people know by saying we have a KK(TBM)-King Kong from TB / Mischling. If you are lucky enough to get a TB. From 2 Mischlings it would be a KK (TBMM) or whatever type of TB you have. This just keeps people honest and let's buyers know that they will get a percentage of Mischlings from their TBM / TBMM. Nothing worse than having Mischlings showing up in your TB. Breeding program when you thought you had purebreds".

What is a Tibee cross Mischling?

To my knowledge, this has not been given a common name yet. It's still a Caridina Cantonensis. It's still a bee shrimp. It is just a different colour variant.

Let's call this variant a "Tischling" for now (03Oct2014), unless someone can confirm a common name that pre-dates this name.

This Tischling is an uncommon hybrid, possibly because the desirable genetic traits are too diluted and takes the shrimp keeper further away from achieving desirable goals. Not when there are easier and faster breeding choices that would achieve the same goal. Like for instances, using the Tibee or Mischling to be crossed back to a pure Tiger, Crystal or Taiwan Bee.

A hybrid Mischling might carry recessive traits, and is unseen (like a specific colour), and crossing it with another hybrid Tibee would be like trying to get a certain colour (say red), from something that doesn't show any colour. A complete guess.

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Great read, as per usual JayC!! This will help many!!

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Did you like my terminology for Tibee X Mischling = Tischling?


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Very good love the explanation for all to understand .How many breeders are going to go back to f1 tb when selling adding a new tb to the mix.egTBxf6 miinshling were the bubs will carry a very high%tb say f7 but they are not F7 but f1 as tb was a new bloodline.Thats 1 nice f1 to buy but not so good to the seller and lets face it not that many honest people left out there when money is involved so f7 it would be sold.Wouldnt trust anything over f6 myself as the chance of breeding back to parents after about 2yr are slim.

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Realisation that just stating F7 , or F1 description isn't going to be enough is going to be an educational task for the hobby.

In the case of selling, further history of its lineage is required. That is, a more descriptive text on generation tree is going to be needed.

If people are using filial numbers wrongly, doesn't make it right to continue perpetuating the problem.

If you are buying an F7 shrimp ask for a better description of its family line.

If you are selling, give an accurate description.

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Now that we know what filial means, and we also know how difficult it is to have the discipline to maintain Filial number tracking.

We have a better idea of what it means when people use that term.

So at best we need to realise the seller

1) might actually mean an F7 is the 7th generation offspring with no introduction of outside genes.


2) at worst, what they actually mean is ... This is a 7th generation shrimp from when I first got them.

At the end of the day, it might not matter to you if the F7 means (1) or (2).

But it could if you are building a PRL colony, where the pure breed needs to be assured.

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Did you like my terminology for Tibee X Mischling = Tischling?


I think it should be Tibling 
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At last, an article that explains the different terms relating to the Caridina species. I am relatively new to shrimp-keeping apart from a few amano shrimp that have mainly looked after themselves. I keep coming across the different terms and haven't (up til now) been able to follow the previous discussions (not on here) 

Thanks you jayc and other contributors for helping me to see the light!

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So if I breed Tiger x Mischling x KK x BB, can I call the offsprings Ti-Bolt. :)




If you do, you can call it whatever you want as it's creator.

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Just read this and finally an explanation to all the questions I had in my head. Great write up.

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Thanks @larrymull . Glad you liked it.

You have now levelled up a few ranks above newbie. :5565bf0371061_D:

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@jayc most certainly have and just went and bought myself a new ADA 60l on sale...so now I am working out a game plan...I might start a tank journal.

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I think you will find a Tibee cross mischling is often referred to as fancy Tibee- I'm not 100% on that but that's what I call mine, As I didn't have any TB left I bred my Tibees with F8 mischlings and I'm getting some really nice patterns happening. My Tibees were F5 -some are Taitibees some normal Tibees.

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I think you will find a Tibee cross mischling is often referred to as fancy Tibee- I'm not 100% on that but that's what I call mine, 

Can anyone else confirm? 

I've been looking. But have not come across a name ... yet. 

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It would be great if we can find a name , that's the trouble with hybrids though we keep getting different markings and varieties - it's sooooo difficult to keep track. I am totally amazed at what my Tibees give me.:love:

I am  in the middle of redoing my tanks and will need to catch them soon so I will try to get pictures of shrimp from my " mongrel" tank

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@ineke, 'fancy tibee' is too confusing for a Tibee x Mischling cross, cause it could mean a colour variation of a Tibee.

Like a "Fancy Pinto" - which is a pattern variation of the pinto.


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Thanks for the write up. I am just starting up a breeding program and this helped getting my head around it all.

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