Carbon Blue Rili

[wayne6442]

found this guy in my black cherry tank today . unfortunately this is my one and only.

[BlueBolts]

Nice......so much potentially ! 1st dibs ...:-)

My boy would like to meet your girl :-)

[Squiggle]

Absolutely stunning guys, very well done! :victorious:

[northboy]

Wow guys they look good

Bob

[wayne6442]

Wow BB that is one stunning shrimp, we will have to seriously think about a match up

Cheers

[Garnelchen]

What a beautiful shrimp, Wayne! (and BB) I thought I wasn't a big fan of Rilis....but Carbon Rilis ARE stunning.

[Baccus]

Looks like a little live sapphire, beautiful. Love the blues

[BlueBolts]

?... I thought I wasn't a big fan of Rilis....but Carbon Rilis ARE stunning.

Rillis had never previously excited me too much, until I came across "perfect" rilli patterns, then it became a quest to selectively breed them for that quality.....but they MUST have the painted head/tail, and not blotches of colour, as they then appear culls to me ...... The blue's in cherry shrimps appear to be difficult to isolate, say compared to the reds... Not sure if there's a scientific reason for this ?

[Garnelchen]

What does a perfect Rili look like?

My friend in Germany bought a couple of cull red rilis for her tank the other day....and I thought some of them are extremely pretty. Obviously the pattern is wrong, but....well, I think I would be hopeless breeding them. I could never cull ANYTHING!

[pappyy3]

What does a perfect Rili look like?

My friend in Germany bought a couple of cull red rilis for her tank the other day....and I thought some of them are extremely pretty. Obviously the pattern is wrong' date=' but....well, I think I would be hopeless breeding them. I could never cull ANYTHING!

Rilli patterns will appeal to different people. Not everyone will agree on the 'perfect Rilli' and I do not believe that one even exists. There only exists Rillis that I like more than others .... ;)

[wayne6442]

I have to agree with you pappy, I have so many varied patterns that range from velvet blues with red tails and red probiscusus to orange heads / and almost all reds with some clear body parts, love the lot of them

Rilli patterns will appeal to different people. Not everyone will agree on the 'perfect Rilli' and I do not believe that one even exists. There only exists Rillis that I like more than others .... ;)

[BlueBolts]

When the initial rilli pattern appeared, the original breeders selectively bred them to have the painted head/tail & and clear body...without a set goal, gradings/patterns will cease to exist, as beauty will always remain in the eye of the beholder.....BUT, there is a shrimp grading system. There are many pics on this forum and net, showing "perfect rilli's", in the sense of the painted head/tail, no doubt the term "perfect" is use in a general sense, as perfection is always there to be achieved, and will continue to do so.

Creating a new variant i.e. "spiderman shrimp" is great, and once selectively bred, and breeding true, the creator/breeder has the "rights" to specify what makes the shrimp a spiderman shrimp......to then simply say, a spiderman shrimp is how I perceive it to be, I don't think is correct. i.e. mosura, flowerhead patterns, coloration....etc, will all be meaningless.

So I do think there is a specification of what a rilli shrimp should look like. Otherwise, the quality of these shrimps will go down the same route then the cherry shrimp.

Part of the adventure of our hobby is to selectively breed quality/patterns based on a international standard, and/or to also create our own selectively bred pattern. No doubt many hobbyist just want to breed shrimps, but in terms of patterns, colours,...etc, there is a standard in the shrimp world.

[Garnelchen]

When the initial rilli pattern appeared' date=' the original breeders selectively bred them to have the painted head/tail & and clear body...without a set goal, gradings/patterns will cease to exist, as beauty will always remain in the eye of the beholder.....BUT, there is a shrimp grading system. There are many pics on this forum and net, showing "perfect rilli's", in the sense of the painted head/tail, no doubt the term "perfect" is use in a general sense, as perfection is always there to be achieved, and will continue to do so.

Creating a new variant i.e. "spiderman shrimp" is great, and once selectively bred, and breeding true, the creator/breeder has the "rights" to specify what makes the shrimp a spiderman shrimp......to then simply say, a spiderman shrimp is how I perceive it to be, I don't think is correct. i.e. mosura, flowerhead patterns, coloration....etc, will all be meaningless.

So I do think there is a specification of what a rilli shrimp should look like. Otherwise, the quality of these shrimps will go down the same route then the cherry shrimp.

Part of the adventure of our hobby is to selectively breed quality/patterns based on a international standard, and/or to also create our own selectively bred pattern. No doubt many hobbyist just want to breed shrimps, but in terms of patterns, colours,...etc, there is a standard in the shrimp world.[/quote']

I guess you're right BB.

It's probably much easier done with colour (no one can really argue about good colour) than with patterns. Or maybe colours are just easier to understand.

So are you saying the quality of cherry shrimp in Australia has gone downhill because people have just been breeding them without being selective?

[ineke]

I have found with my rilis -which came from lovely parents with good markings- that there are far more culls per batch than there are good markings. In my last cull I kept about 10 shrimp out about 100 -because BB said that's what good girls do:rolleyes:- but I'm happy with those ten. I also culled heavily in the Blue Velvet tank taking out anything with even the tiniest bit of red so I can now understand a bit better why it takes a long time to get a really nice pattern- note I didn't say perfect:)

[blackcat]

I love the look of the carbon rilis and love my rilis :-)

[BlueBolts]

So are you saying the quality of cherry shrimp in Australia has gone downhill because people have just been breeding them without being selective?

6+ months ago, there was a thread on the lack of quality red cherries in Australia have become...they were mass produced, with hobbyist breeding them without a thought of quality.... In recent times, there's been many hobbyist focused on achieving the fire red / painted fire cherries, and pics recently posted, has shown the success of these programs in such a short period, which is fantastic.

The same applies with all other shrimp variants, if quality/standards are not discussed, then the quality goes south.

Ineke, both my blue cherry and red rilli have produced heaps and heaps of culls, depending on where I am on the program, an accepted pattern now, may/will not be accepted in future generations, as the quality of the colony improves etc.... I think it's part of the journey with shrimp breeding, for shrimp breeders.

[ineke]

I love to see the improvement in each generation and I am now quite happy to cull heavily. I used to want to keep everything but now like to have a nice core group of breeders and can't wait to see the next generation. The good thing with shrimp is the generations happen so quickly:D

[michael]

Ineke, both my blue cherry and red rilli have produced heaps and heaps of culls, depending on where I am on the program, an accepted pattern now, may/will not be accepted in future generations, as the quality of the colony improves etc.... I think it's part of the journey with shrimp breeding, for shrimp breeders.

[ineke]

Michael what you say is true and I questioned the selling of culls several times on the forum. The vast majority of answers were culls are a good cheap entry level shrimp for beginners to get the confidence to eventually buy higher grade harder to keep shrimp. Most of my culls go into my big tank or outside in a pool but I have started either giving some away for free or for the cost of postage and a bit extra. There is always going to be an issue with selling culls but some people can't afford $100 plus for a few shrimp that in the end they may not be able to keep alive. For every one person that stays in the hobby there are dozens who leave it because of cost and inability to keep even Red Cherries alive. Thankfully there will always be the true hobbyists who will work hard to improve the quality of their shrimp:)

[BlueBolts]

There are culls, and there are culls..... Culls like wild type, deformities, bad colouring / pattern theoretically shouldn't be passed on, but there are also hobbyist who just want shrimps, that don't cost too much $$$$$. We all have to start somewhere, and culls of a existing selective breeding program, may still have the genetics to produce some quality off springs etc.... i.e. I'm extremely happy with the reds/white in my CRS's, and my program is just focused on coloured legs ATM, so selling my "culls" doesn't mean they are of poor quality.....there's so many variations to this, and that is why pictures in The For Sale section is required.... Just depends where the hobbyist is at with that particular variant.

[michael]

Exactly bb if u wouldnt be happy to keep the shrimp it souldnt be sold.ive seen good examples lately of shrimp that arent up to svratch. Yellows that are pail. Pumpkins that are pail orange or cbs that are brown and white. Its more if the new hobiest buys it expecting nice shrimp and receiving shrimp that are poor quality. If breeders are more focussed on making it an affordable hobby offer a bigger discount at the end of the day we set the prices anyways and offer nice quality shrimp at a price hobbiests can afford