Update $ Guide

[BlueBolts]

Just updating the $ Guide, and would appreciate feedback, opinions etc so that the mods can update the 6+ month old $ Guide.

I'm trying to simplify it to take into account new / variants etc, and also to put a fairer price on guaranteed males, females & pairs. Please read the "Notes", and again appreciate feedback

$ GUIDE

Notes

Assume All $ are Juvi's (J) @ 8-11mm

Male = (J) x 1.5

Females = (J) x 2

Guaranteed Pair = (J) x 3.5

TBM = Taiwan Bee (from TB x Mish Parents)

TBMM = Taiwan Bee (from Mishling x Mishling Parents)

CHERRY SHRIMP (Neocaridina heteropoda)

Red, Standard Cherry and Sakura - $0.50 - $3 each

Painted Fire Red - $15 each

Red Rilli (incl. blue genes) - $10 each

Blue Rilli - N/A

Yellow - $8 each

Orange Sunkist/Pumpkin/Sakura - $25 each

Blue Velvet- $30 each

Chocolate - $15 each

Chocolates/Black Genes - $20 each

Black - $35 each

CRYSTAL SHRIMPS (Caridina cf. cantonensis)

CRS

C - $XX

B - $3-4

A - $5-$8

S - $15-$25

SS - $25-$50

SSS Crown - $70-100

SSS Mosura Flower patern $100-120

PRL - $200 - $700

CBS

C - $XX

B - $5-6

A - $10-$15

S - $15-$25

SS $40-$70

SSS Crown - $80-120

SSS Mosura Flower pattern $120-150

PBL - $250 - $750

Golden Bee - $25-$50

Snow White - $50-$150

TAIWAN BEES SHRIMPS (Caridina cf. cantonensis)

Extreme King Kong - $350

King Kong (1/2 Stripes) - $250

Panda - $250

Shadow Panda - $350

Extreme Red Ruby - $350

Red Ruby (1/2 Stripes) - $250

Wine Red (Panda) - $250

Bluebolt (blue head/white body) - $250

Bluebolt (blue head/body) - $350

GreenHulk - $XX

BlueJelly - $XX

Mishling F1-F3 - $20

Mishling F4+ - $30+

TBM - $150

TBMM - $100

TIGER SHRIMPS (Caridina cf. cantonensis)

Blonde Tiger - $125

Orange Eye Blue Tiger -$250

Orange Eye Black Tiger - $400

Royal Blue Tiger - $500

Black Tiger - $XX

Super Tiger - $XX

Tiger x CRS, CBS, Golden Mishling - $100

Tiger x TB - Mishling - $150

Pinto - $XX

Pinto Pattern/Potential - $XX

Other

Neocaridina cf. zhangjiajiensis var. white (Snowball) - $100

Neocaridina heteropoda var. Green - $150

Caridina Babaulti var. Green - $150

To be used ONLY as a guideline. $ is based on market pricing at 10th July 2013

[ninja]

Looks good to me, what's TBM and TBMP?

[durro68]

All looks fine here. thanks for your efforts BB.

[torface]

Lol Ninja, it says that in the post!

TBM = Taiwan Bee Mishling (TB x Mish Parents) TBMP = Taiwan Bee Mishling Parents (Mishling x Mishling)

Thanks BB, a well needed update! :encouragement:

[BlueBolts]

Looks good to me' date=' what's TBM and TBMP?[/quote']

TBM = Taiwan Bee (from TB x Mish Parents)

TBMM = Taiwan Bee (from Mishling x Mishling Parents)

[ineke]

Looks good and easy to understand I think BB made a mistake with TBMM and then wrote TBMP at the price area

[BlueBolts]

Looks good and easy to understand I think BB made a mistake with TBMM and then wrote TBMP at the price area

Thanks ineke, fixed.

We should also have a discussion / understanding on the $ for TBM or TBMM, as there is a dilution of pure TB genetics. As such, they should never be sold at the same $ as a pure TB, and needs to be stated where they come from genetically, i.e. TBM OR TBMM...etc. Not a great situation when breeding a TB x TB (but one or both parents are TBM or TBMM), and expecting 100% TB shrimplet rate, but only getting 25%.

[KiwiBigD]

Having bred a small number of TBs from TB parents I've also had mishlings come through in the same drop, I just figure it happens and I can live with that. As to

their F number now thats a different story

[ninja]

Lol Ninja' date=' it says that in the post!

Thanks BB, a well needed update! :encouragement:[/quote']

Sorry read too fast.

[ninja]

How long before we have TBMOEBTP, lol?

[ineke]

I'd like to see that one LOL Have you got one????

[ninja]

Yep.

[durro68]

Having bred a small number of TBs from TB parents I've also had mishlings come through in the same drop' date=' I just figure it happens and I can live with that. As to

their F number now thats a different story[/quote']

Further on this topic ......

I think the REALLY important discussion needs to be About Mishling X Mishling - obviously you get some TBMM (and that has been delt with price wise and you just have to trust the seller) but the pheno-typical CRS/CBS/SW/Golden young surely can not still be sold as Michlings?

[torface]

But a mischling shrimplet from say an f6 mischling x f6 mischling cross will still have a high %TB in it. Im not sure of precisely how it works, but the shrimplet couldn't be sold as an f6 or higher mischling certainly, however, it is still a mischling.

[hoang1912]

Finally got sthing to have a look before purchase/sell shrimp. Thanks Bb.

Btw, just want to ask what's the price for normal SSS cbs,crs? 50-70?

[Neo-shrimp]

Thank you Marcus (BB) for the update...Great for reference when buying shrimps...Much Appreciated...:applause:

[ninja]

Read the list or Torface will have you, lol.

[torface]

Read the list or Torface will have you' date=' lol.[/quote']

Lol yeah! chop chop!

[ninja]

By the way, there are SSS and there are real SSS. SSS from crystals with snow or golden gene should be clarified as they are cheating SSS and should be verified as to how far back the white gene is?

If its ok to clarify TB purity it should be the same with crystals? Yes?

[jayc]

Shocked at some of the prices of shrimp in Aus !!

Why do I always pick expensive hobbies? :dejection:

I visited several aquariums in Singapore last week, and you could get a bag of 10x S/SS CRS for SGD$22 (about AUD$20).

That's $2 each.

Sigh. Hopefully one day soon, we will get to those prices.

[torface]

We're slowly getting there JayC. I doubt it'll ever be as cheap, but prices have come down significantly in just the last 6 months.

And Ninja, yes I agree we should clarify ALL shrimps purity. I think it just comes down to honesty.

[blindfisherman]

We're slowly getting there JayC. I doubt it'll ever be as cheap' date=' but prices have come down significantly in just the last 6 months.

And Ninja, yes I agree we should clarify ALL shrimps purity. I think it just comes down to honesty.[/quote']

+1, unfortunately some sellers arent as honest as others. Then I guess it comes down to the buyers judgment and unfortunately I think newbies will still be caught out by deceitful sellers.

[ineke]

Yep.

you must collect shrimp like you do dragons , at least 3 of everything lol would love to see it:encouragement:

[ineke]

It is almost buyer beware. It's best to buy from a reliable source here at SKF at least you have a better chance of getting what you pay for.

[BlueBolts]

The $ guide is an indication of pricing on various shrimp & types. Absolute quality is another factor, and is to a degree subjective, so perhaps best to leave it to buyer/seller. Presume once a hobbyist has reached a level of experience and knowledge of quality/purity, they would know whether a SSS is worth $70 or $200....

TBM and TBMM, is to differentiate the % of TB genetics / quality. Appreciate hobbyist are using Mishling x Mishlings to create TB's, as a alternatively route, due to price, but I believe mishlings are created to add genetic strength, rather then building of a TB colony. So should Mish x Mish be encouraged ? As a purist I don't believe so. My BB's are all F4-6 now and are breeding 99% true TB's. My KK and WR were crossed back to Mish to add genetic strength, but I am now breeding them true, and have the 1st F1 generation coming through. So if I do sell them, I will state this, as I can appreciate the frustration of a hobbyist investing in a TB pair, and then having Mishling shrimplets !

Great to have this conversation / opinions, as it strengthens all our knowledge, and collective experience etc....