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Lizzy

How's this tank filling in?

I ended up getting some plants from Adrian. Thanks for the recommendation. 

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Subtlefly

Update and pics soon!

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Crabby

Looking wonderful! Loving the way the endlers school. Mine school like that occasionally but not often - possibly the shape of the tank allows for the way they swim, better than standard tank proportions? 

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sdlTBfanUK

Tank looks great and I love the ember tetras, I've got some of those! The scaping looks very natural, well done, it all paid off!

Any plans for shrimps in the future?

Simon

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Subtlefly

Yeh blink and you miss it!

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There are 7 high quality blue dream shrimp in the tank.. they are hard to spot but will hopefully breed and thrive:)

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jayc

👍 very nice tank dude.

Thanks for taking us on the journey from start to now.

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Crabby

Wow, you went the same path with shrimp as I did in my first tank - less than 10 shrimp in a massive tank. Mine was a 110L haha. So hard to see the shrimp in there, and unfortunately they never bred for me. Hopefully you can get a colony out of those guys!

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