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Baccus

Just wanted to ask everyones opinions on how they think this guy will grow up.

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The larger red one behind is related to the brown one same father just possibly different mothers.

I may have a few more this colour, they just hide/ blend in really well and are hard to spy.

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2OFUS

i have afew of these guys

but they dont breed with cherries

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Baccus

It is a cherry shrimp, its father is a chocolate or black cherry while the mother is a dark red. The three dark red female cherry shrimp and the chocolate male are the only shrimp ever put into the tank so the offspring are all cherry shrimp just not all red :)

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Baccus

Just thought I would show off the daddy of the baby shrimp

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Gbang

I think it will end up being a chocolate. Baccas was that that the black cherry male I sent you for your experiment tank?!? That's crazy cause when I sent it to ya it was jet black!!! :(

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Baccus

Yep, that is the same male, not sure why he has gone so pale :confused: He and the females in that tank get all the same food as my other shrimp, unless they figure the tank is too bright. But it only has a small light overhead and even with it on I need to use the flash on the camera other wise the picture is too dark.

I am starting to see more and more non red babies, so far they seem grey, most of the time trying to photograph them is hell, and I only spot some of the smaller ones after uploading the pictures and zooming in.

In this picture you should be able to see one of the non red bubs to the front of one of the females

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This next picture has another 2 non red shrimplets in in front of another of the females

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Gbang

That's very unusual cause it was black all it's life at mine. Could it possibly be the gravel? Need a dark one?

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Baccus

It could be the gravel, but my darkest red female cherry's are on pure white sand :confused:, I think shrimp are just out to mess with me :p

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Baccus

Just wanted to give an update on my non red cherry shrimp.

This guy is one of the first now mature babies from breeding my male black cherry with dark red female cherry.

To me he looks like a deep golden or treacle colour. To the naked eye it looks to have a little more red than in the photo.

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I still swear these shrimp are out to mess with my mind, not only do these guys never seem to decide on a final colour. But now the few potential rili shrimp that occured on their own in my tanks (and I seperated out for futher selective breeding) have produced some young that are for now totally clear. Makes them incredibly hard to see no matter what tank/ background they are on.

Not the best pictures I know but gives you an idea

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Baccus

Disaster :sorrow:, I went out to check my tanks this morning and the tank containing my breeding project with my black male cherry shrimp and couple of dark red females had for some reason crashed :dejection::sorrow:, of course the male was one of the casulities along with the females and a lot of their almost ready to breed offspring. Only a couple of survivors could be found. So for now since I have no time before work I have done two drastic water changes and hope that its enough until i get home this afternoon to keep the survivors alive and well.

So gutted.

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BlueBolts

Damn ! That's harsh.... Be interested to know the cause the crash.

if you're still home, perhaps even adding an air stone may also help.

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Baccus

I also scooped out all the dead shrimp I could find along with the drastic water changes. The only thing I can think of that caused the wipe out was the piece of carrot I had in the tank to lure out snails and get rid of them. The carrot was fine yesterday but had gone yuck overnight. I just hope the few survivors can hang in there and have decent genetics to keep breeding from. But it has now set me back quite a few months becuase it looks like only a few juvi's had survived this morning.

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Jess

Oh no! D:

I'm so sorry for your losses :( Whatever you do though, don't give up. Your shrimp were looking great and I'm sure you'll work your way back.

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Baccus

Thank you for the condolances, I had a look in the tank this afternoon and the shrimp that surived are all active and zooming about the tank. I just hope that the offspring in the tank had enough of their fathers black genes to produce more black young even if they aren't showing much black themselves.

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Baccus

All might not be quite lost, I found this young female stuffing her face this afternoon. I just hope I also have a couple of similar coloured males to go with her.

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She actually looks a bit darker in the flesh than she looks in the photos, hopefully because she is only young she will continue to get darker/ blacker.

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redeye

What a shame you lost some of your beautiful shrimps so sorry to see Baccus. I wish you luck with the remaining survivors.....great pics too by the way.

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northboy

Hi Mate

Murphy always steps in and picks your best one to stuff up, dam Murphy (Murphy's law). At least you have something to kick off with again

Chin up.

Bob

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Baccus

The survivors all seem as happy as clams, who knows maybe with a few less in the tank these guys will grow up quicker too. I will be keeping close tabs on them any way for signs of any other nasty after effects of the near total disaster.

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Baccus

The hopes for my future breeding project from the survivors of the tank disaster

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And it looks like I may have a slightly darker very young male also in the tank.

For now I will leave the reds in the tank as well, since they are all descendants from the original trio of two dark red females and the black male.

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Baccus

Finally got some decent pictures of my oldest surviving cherry from the black male x dark red female cherry (and the disaster that took the parents and half their offspring away).

I don't know what colour you would call her. I guess a milk chocolate or sakura choc? Some of her younger brothers and sisters look like they will turn out similar to her while other ones are still looking red, but an odd red.

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And showing off her black nose

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So now I am in two minds do I leave the reds in with these and see what they continue to produce or do I try and seperate the reds , even though I have no spare tanks to do their potential line breeding justice?

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tangfreak

What about a hang on tank to try your breeding progam again at least that keeps them close

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Baccus

I have seen online external fry saver (?) tanks that clip onto the main tank, but I have never seen any locally. Plus this is only a 20L tank and I have learnt the hard way shrimp are sneaky little critters and have a way of escaping into main tanks. If I chuck the empire gudgeon into either my goldfish pond or old bath tub I could probably put shrimp back into its tank since the only other fish in there is a part grown BN and Endlers.

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Squiggle

Endlers are only good with adult shrimp, I had to take my Endlers out of a tank as they were chasing & trying to eat the shrimplettes :encouragement:

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Baccus

That would be right, annoying enough to be a pest to my plans. Funny though because I dont see my guppies even try to eat the shrimp and even my Pakastani loaches which I was sure would be shrimp eaters seem to ignore the shrimp. The only fish I have actively seen hunt down the shrimp (aside from the gudgeon) of any size is my sirority of female fighters, after catching them in the act they now only have the otocinclus and a few million snails in with them. All my other single male fighters have always been fine with shrimp.

Does anyone have any ideas what colour you owuld call this lovely milk chocolate female? From the wild type pictures I have seen she doesn't really fall under that banner.

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Baccus

Just snapped these photos of my best black x dark red cherry shrimp.

She doesn't always come out and show herslef off, but I think she is starting to look really pretty especially with her milk chocolate stripe down her back.

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And lastly side view with her relatives

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