Cross pinto with tangerine tiger

[nicpapa]

Hi there...

I started with pintos shrimps , and i start to make mischlings.

Now i have 2 females pintos wiht eggs, 6 crs with eggs for making f1 hybrid and  two tangerine with eggs.

What can i expect from  tangerine tigers?

Did anyone try this crossbreeding ?

Edited June 13, 2018 by jayc

[jayc]

4 hours ago, nicpapa said:

What can i expect from  tangerine tigers?

Stripy versions of what ever it bred with.

?

[ineke]

F1 are usually fairly plain but things get interesting by F3-4. I have bred many of them it just depends on where you want to go and what you like. Hybrids are interesting in that you never really know what you might get. As Pintos turned up in hybrid breeding initially you have a bit of a head start but you may end up with a lot of plain shrimp too.

[nicpapa]

4 hours ago, ineke said:

F1 are usually fairly plain but things get interesting by F3-4. I have bred many of them it just depends on where you want to go and what you like. Hybrids are interesting in that you never really know what you might get. As Pintos turned up in hybrid breeding initially you have a bit of a head start but you may end up with a lot of plain shrimp too.

Thanks for reply. ..

Those photos are f3-f4?

what is your opinion for faster breeding pinto taiwan.

Wiht making  hybrids or wait and stay without hybrids?

I can make a tank to put all the hybrids in there, and keep biger f.. female with pinto .

[ineke]

the red ones are F3 the others are F1 and F2.

I used to breed mostly taitibees -hybrids of Taiwan Bee and Tiger shrimp. Now we have better genetics to use - aura and Galaxy shrimp so there isn't so much interest in the ordinary taitibees. With early  hybrids it was  hard to establish a line that bred true and once I got to F10 I was getting more shrimp that looked  either like Taiwan Bees or Tigers. After 6 years i never established a true breeding line.

My opinion now is to keep pure lines pure and use culls from your pure line to experiment with the hybrids. we seem to be losing pure Tb and even the pintos were originally a hybrid that generally breeds fairly true although we seem to be losing the good patterns. people no longer seem to be culling out the irregular patterns so you usually see all types of patterns in tanks. When we had our pure lines they had distinct patterns rather than the random patterns you see now.

Since we are getting more variety entering Australia -  please remember it is still illegal to import shrimp but they are getting here - we have more opportunity to breed  exciting patterns that were not available in the early days of shrimp keeping here.

At the end of the day it is what ever interests you - if you want to experiment then do so - after all it is a hobby that we all enjoy. As long as people let buyers know their shrimp are hybrids then there is no harm. Unfortunately you need lots of tanks to breed hybrids and have tanks for pure lines too. I have resorted to putting my culls outside in ponds where they still breed despite no heating in winter and no cooling in summer. 

In the last picture you can see the random patterns I'm talking about these are in fact Taitibees some have pinto genes butthey don't have the nice crisp bands that good Taiwan Bee should have

[nicpapa]

@ineke

nice pics an shrimps...

I made like you said above...

Move all females crs and tigers and leave alone pinto in the tank.

Now it was easy because i dont have babies... ?

[ineke]

Good I look forward to seeing how you go. I love my hybrids but the really good pure lines are best left alone - there are plenty of culls to play with ☺️

[nicpapa]

12 hours ago, ineke said:

Good I look forward to seeing how you go. I love my hybrids but the really good pure lines are best left alone - there are plenty of culls to play with ☺️

I will post .... in some months the progress of the tibees....

[jayc]

This is why we end up with MTS (Multi Tank Syndrome).

One tank is never enough. 

You need one for Pure Lines, cause you need to keep some pure genetics.

You need another tank for experimenting with hybrids. 

One for culls.

Then one tank again for each variety of shrimp ... 

 

[ineke]

You NEVER EVER EVER have enough tanks! Now I'm down to only 1 I keep seeing shrimp that I think might just be worth playing with ! I really do miss my shrimp room!

[nicpapa]

Some news ... ?

I have 6 berieds....

One king kong , it cross with pinto  red.

4 pintos red

And one black pinto cross with black pinto .

I think that  i will go without hybrids, only hybrids i get from those.

[nicpapa]

Ok i have my first red pinto babis , its very difficult to found them.

Also f1 from black pinto x crs and f1 from black pinto x tangerine tigers.

Crs look sames in f1 , but tangerine tigers are weird ,

I will post a video when i get a litle bigger.

[nicpapa]

I  move the tibee to a 50 liter with hybrids.

In the 100 liter i loose the babies of the tibee, i dont know something in the water.

Also see some  planaria.

And i want to risk it so i move them , and add no planaria in the 100.

Now its empty.

 

Here are the hybrids...

There are a lot..

From tangerine tigers, cbs , crs..

I got in F1 spoted head .

From taiwan i get 3 king kongs .

Also tibee x tibee give only tibee... not hybrids, i know that because they are new and small.

[nicpapa]

moving hybrids to another tank and let the taiwan pinto babies grow faster.

I moved around 200 babies to 100lt tank.

I will see how i do it after growing up.

[jayc]

That must have taken a long time to catch them.

[nicpapa]

Is it possible to get orange eye blue tigers, from tibee x taiwan or tibee x tibee?

I have one blue baby, with orange eyes, also a king kong wit orange eye.

 

its my mistake that read it from the internet, that its faster make taiwans and tibee from hybrids.

Now i have around 200 babies f1 hybrids and i dont know what to do with them , because

i have around 40-50 taiwans -pintos babies from parents.

Its breed almsot 99% true

 

[jayc]

11 hours ago, nicpapa said:

Is it possible to get orange eye blue tigers, from tibee x taiwan or tibee x tibee?

No. Don't think so. At least not a pure OEBT.

[nicpapa]

12 hours ago, jayc said:

No. Don't think so. At least not a pure OEBT.

We will see when it grown...

 

[FN2R]

hi... have you sucessfully breed your own fancy tiger ..? what would be the cross? crs and oebt?

[jayc]

29 minutes ago, FN2R said:

have you sucessfully breed your own fancy tiger ..?

Hi Welcome to SKFA.

Who were you asking?

 

29 minutes ago, FN2R said:

what would be the cross? crs and oebt?

An OEBT is a tiger shrimp.

So CRS x OEBT is a Tibee.

[FN2R]

1 hour ago, jayc said:

Hi Welcome to SKFA.

Who were you asking?

 

An OEBT is a tiger shrimp.

So CRS x OEBT is a Tibee.

thx for your reply... JAYC, yes.. I want to seek your comment what should I do to start my fancy tiger project...but I am a bit confuse..

so what should I do after I got F1 from crs x oebt?

should I just keep breeding f1 x f1 = f2 ... so on.. or do I need to breed back to crs or crs parents to get more solid white and red to get f2?