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Hey guys i thought i would show you exactly how the tank is now running and the equipment used so from the top I've got the long 16/22 mm overflow strainers0fe5eb4daa88c0ec88385440c68dcbaa.jpg

Which of course leads us to the plumbing2fe7f36775bec2186b61f2b5d555df7e.jpg

Now we are at the sump which starts with coarse filter foam00068c7e12e994792aef6cdb57af666e.jpg

Then a fine filter foam8d118537f70d1c460b44318818abaa16.jpg

Then comes the media cb149ec71cfbe4d803a30a944ed76f69.jpgwhich consists of 5 large bakki rods (about 400-450 long) and 6 smaller pieces of bakki rod (ranging from 100-180mm), approx 3L matrix,approx 2L of ceramic bio rings and 2 other bags of an unknown media that looks like river stones almost (if anyone can id it from that description that would be great). Then we get to the divider which has more of the coarse filter wool then its into my dodgy bros inc boss bio media tumbler sectionhttps://vimeo.com/147999136which seems to be working really well as i threw a handfull of new stuff in and there is definitely a brown tinge to the original lot

From there iv got a 1500lph pump pushing the water through the uv filter ( no pic as i need to clean it up back there haha) then into the beast my hailea 30048d92445e853c57af1a8829f6b141a1f.jpg

Actually that reminds me i need to do an appreciation post for John and Chelsea at tech den coz John recieved email after email with me stressing on getting this thing over to the west side safely and im pretty sure i scared the hell out of Chelsea about the delivery being signed for in bunnury which is 140 odd kms from me haha but anyhow back on topic now. Then its off to the spray bar that runs the length of the tankccdf954e0adb2bb24336fbf21f4dc89a.jpg so thats the main system then on top of that i have added a biospon and 2 other large double sponges ( i need to get 1 more) and last but not least is the cheapest out of everything the black background, but the difference between having a light coloured wall as a background and the black is huge I will add some more photos soon and in the next few weeks I will show yous how the different sections are going.

If you can see something that could be tweeked to make this a better setup let me know

Cheers guys thanks for reading

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Any Updates on this tank and your CRS colony @Ronskitz ?

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Iv not had a great run with the tank unfortunately i got a bacterial infection and then got cRamped back syndrome ( check the shrimp diseases and diagnosis sticky for a pic of my actual shrimp) so what did survive the bacterial infection quite a few got culled due to cramped backs it was bloody devastating. Iv been meaning to do a full update to show the changes iv done to the tank so I'll get onto that over the next few days. I managed to keep some alive and im slowly rebuilding my colonies. The CRS are going well now though lots of babies that are almost at juvie size.

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Did you run UV sterilization?

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I was running UV but I didn't realise the globes needed changing and im not sure of the age of the globe that was in there as i bought the whole setup secondhand

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I'll start with an update on the CRS and do the other sections over a few days.

They are breeding nicely atm and got some really nice juvies coming up

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You've got some really nice shrimp Ron!

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Thanks Bill. Next we move into the BB section.

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And some of the inhabitants a04191734cb95ee056e3cb2d19debfb3.jpg79947e5939b4bdaa1b4074c1464a6d75.jpg69cb8cadcb5541e95c602d477e92fd30.jpg23a169d214bab86514b1d5e876040ddc.jpg74260be96992554b1dbfc39b32aae461.jpg38e4a6fca5488bef579186eb8b70e3b2.jpg

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Tibee/mishling section this was originally all mishlings then i wanted to have a "play" lol so i took all the male mish out and left in 3 cbs phenotype female mish and a male and female oebt and i really love some of the patterns on the juvies so far particularly the ones that are nice and blue (the photos dont do the blue ones any justice at all) so next step is to cull all of the younger mish and just keep the bluer tibees.

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And the inhabitants

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Thought it was time for an update. So originally this tank i bought as is (besides a few things iv changed) and it was running with shrimp so couldnt really change much at the time. It was originally setup on the 25/5/2014 or at least thats when the tank journal was made on here if you want to see it its titled "new 4 footer". So its over 2 years old now so the substrate was filthy. Long story short i had some major issues as you can see above so i went against the grain and took a risk so over the last few weeks/months iv been gravel vacuuming and holy $h17 im glad i did it was putrid. Tested ammonia nitrite and nitrate almost hourly for a few days following and itwas perfect. Ever since my tank has thrived and im bloody stoked now after the devastation i had before.

Anyway the only thing that has changed about this tank is iv taken out the piece of UG i used to separate my boss bio media and replaced it with a filter mat9f12af52b9f847d013ea79ef4d01c907.jpg

And now onto the the important part CRS section is coming along nicely with the lowest grade is basically s+ whick are the tiger tooth and V pattern and I've got quite a few sss bubs too but too small to get pics atm

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The blue bolts are going OK not as nicely coloured atm compared to what they can show

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The tibees are going good. I started with a blue oebt x mumma mishlings and damn the f1 are absolutely nuts

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Then im planning to pick all the females out of the f1 and put 2 kk with pinto gene males over them

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Then we go to my new favourite the PRL. For some reason my phones camera doesnt pick up their leg colour too well

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Cheers for having a look [emoji1303]

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Great update @Ronskitz love your shrimp they look great.

Ref giving your substrate a vacuum have you set up a regime for doing this on a regular basis? Does it cause debris to cloud the water whilst your vacuuming? I have never vacuumed a shrimp tank only fish tanks hence the questions.

Also have you topped up with new substrate?

Thanks for the info in your great update.

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Cheers guys. Zn30 i wc weekly and atm im vacuuming fortnightly and i will continue to do so until im happy I've collected most of the nasties then i will cease vacuuming. The way I've been doing it is with a standard vac but i let it go full flow until the tube is 1/3 full then restrict the flow down to about half with my thumb which makes the crap still flow out and the substrate heads back down. I do this with the tube sitting on the bottom of the tank then SLOWLY lift the tube and let the substrate settle back into place. It is time consuming to do it this way but iv never seen any ammonia show up. This method has worked really well for me but I dont want to be recommending vacuuming substrate as i dont want to be responsible for someone losing their shrimp so if you want to try be very careful and do it very slowly. I didn't top up any soil as my tank is still buffering to ph 6.0 but i reckon that would definitely cause ammonia if topping up with ada.

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Thanks for the above info @Ronskitz I will mark this so I can revise if the problem arises in my tanks in the future, the info is much appreciated as it was my understanding that once, around the two year mark when the substrate starts to break down, I would need to strip the tank and start again. Cheers.

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No worries mate. Yeah look i just want to stress that i love the positive effect its had on my tank but each of our own little ecosystems are different and can react differently than what someone elses tank would.

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Great update @Ronskitz

And great to hear direct result from gravel vac use. I have seen it used on overseas posts but have also been hesitant. 

I have found on my newer rack that things have stalled and I honestly believe, as I have used only a relatively shallow soil depth of 3-4cm, that there is a direct correlation between dissolved organics being too close to top of soil. As this is where shrimplets stay for the first week of their lives quite often, it must have an impact. 

I also think this is where some of the Asian undergravel systems work well as back section is deep (10cm) and front section only one to two peices of gravel deep. That way no dissolved organics can really settle in the front section.

I went out last week and bought my first gravel vac in years. And will be going through a similar process. 

Just need to figure out the best method for my system. I can luckily isolate shrimp from one tank into breeder boxes in the next, as all paramaters are very close. 

I am planning to do a tank a day over the next week or so. Hoping to have a similar noticeable effect. 

Look forward to more great updates. ?

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Thanks Jamie. That would make sense as the waste is so close to the top of soil that even the shrimp just turning the soil the little bit that they do may be affecting the equilibrium of the tank/rack. What substrate do you use? Im not sure about a tank a day though if it were me id probably start off doing 1 a week and increase from there if its working well coz if you cause an amm spike doing the first one then do another 1 the next day i think by the time the amm shows nastily you may have done 2-3 tanks by then and then you'll have major issues. Just something to think about but your a shrimp master so im sure whatever you do you will be done well

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21 minutes ago, Ronskitz said:

No worries mate. Yeah look i just want to stress that i love the positive effect its had on my tank but each of our own little ecosystems are different and can react differently than what someone elses tank would.

I take on all info and agree what works for one may not suit others so each to their own as you say. @newbreed looking forward to your observations when you venture down this path.

I have both the standard type gravel vacs and battery operated ehiem vacs. The battery operated ones would not be suited to shrimp tanks as the finer dust would pollute the take going through the fine mesh which isn't a problem in the larger fish tanks.

I mainly use the battery operated vacs when I don't need to do a water change, however I would suggest to have a good filtration filter either a canister or high flow internal filter in use when using the battery type in a fish tank to clean up the fine debris that may be released.

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7 hours ago, Ronskitz said:

Thanks Jamie. That would make sense as the waste is so close to the top of soil that even the shrimp just turning the soil the little bit that they do may be affecting the equilibrium of the tank/rack. What substrate do you use?

 

Just something to think about but your a shrimp master so im sure whatever you do you will be done well

I used shirakura red bee sand on this rack. Happy with it's performance so far, but have found TB and Crystals seemed to struggle more than the cherries and Tigers. 

Will definitely consider volume per tank done each day. I don't want a spike over the entire system. 

I have BioSpon filters in each tank with empty media compartments, I may fill them with some carbon type product whilst this process occurs, as a safe guard. 

Shrimp Master, lol, thanks mate but I still consider myself such a newb at most of this stuff!! 

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Few pics taken with my phone so excuse the quality 46388185ec27e7cdebe2b1906de74161.jpgb9bbd228b1d1c5780e5f81c474957b0f.jpg8a61932108e9ae754e1264e1329d43b8.jpg79d5159c9197b5b7d1ea79578867c0c2.jpga770050dd14c804391c391d1b9de2632.jpg2b70fc9033b076c9ff2f818a665907fe.jpga1dbc1e95ef2f6cd01a891472c67f263.jpg

Chowing down on some homemade food

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Ok guys thought it was time for an update. The tank is going great guns ATM and im really happy with it so lets get it started the first section on the hit list is the BBs which are going great. I'll let the pics do the talking

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Next up we've got the CRS which are all for sale and will be on the marketplace later tonight hint hint nudge nudge lol they seem to be breeding quicker than i can sell them

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Over to the mixed tank got 6 shadow panda, 2 BBs and 7 wr just to name a few

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