Bloody Mary questions

[Happy-pitbull]

This is my first ever shrimp tank. Everything was going good for the last few months with a few deaths last week for reasons Im not 100% certain on, but I think its to do with mineral content, or lack thereof,  and molting issues.  So Im doing my best to correct the issue. 

Its all been a enjoyable learning experience so far though, and Im really loving keeping shrimp.

Anyways here are some videos I took from today. Id love to hear any tips or advice people can offer from what they see in the video. Health?  Grade?  Etc :)

 

 

Edited August 8, 2016 by Happy-pitbull

[NoGi]

Nice one. The top shrimp has a nice dark red colouration. Thanks for sharing.

[Happy-pitbull]

Thanks @NoGi  :)  The top one is an adult while the ones in the bottom video are mostly young ones not fully grown yet.  Im going to eventually try to cull out the lesser quality ones but Im not too sure how long I should give them to fully color up. 

Any tips on what I should look for?  Is there a section on here somewhere that maybe helps me understand how to grade these? 

[NoGi]

We have a generic guide here:

 

[Happy-pitbull]

@NoGi So where does Bloody Mary fall in ? I was told Bloody Marys are different than other cherries as their rostrum is shorter.  I assume they can still interbreed with other neocardinia though?  

Im still trying to learn all this genetics stuff ;) 

[jayc]

Blood Mary are still Cherry Shrimp, Neo Caridina.

It's just a product name for a colour variation.

 

[NoGi]

No, bloody mary descends from choc cherries. @Gbang and @fishmosy are the pros here in that space.

 

[Happy-pitbull]

I knew they were neocardinia I was just curious as to why they have a shorter rostrum, thereby making them different from other cherry types.   Also what makes them different from say the Painted Fire ? .... the shorter rostrum?   How else would one distinguish between the two ? 

 

[NoGi]

12 minutes ago, Happy-pitbull said:

Also what makes them different from say the Painted Fire

Bloody Mary = var Red (Choc lineage)

Red Cherry Shrimp = var Red

 

Painted Fire is a grade, not a colour so any colour including Bloody Mary can have a painted fire grade.

[Happy-pitbull]

Oh ok I understand now,  thank you !

Maybe this is why some of my shrimp were so dark, due to their choc lineage. 

Guess I should cull those out to keep them  nice and red. 

So how does one get Rili?  Is this considered the highest grade? 

Sorry for all the questions. ...you have all been very helpful thus far, thank you so much !! 

[NoGi]

All good, all questions are welcomed.

Rilli is a pattern, not a grade. So, with cherries you have colours and each colour can have various grades/patterns.

Painted Fire <colour> with a Rilli pattern would be a very nice shrimp 

Unfortunately, with all the fancy marketing breeder names that have been given to the variations, it's now become very confusing for newcomers.

[Happy-pitbull]

I have these few that I placed into a separate tank. Im not sure if they are low quality, or just not fully colored up yet .... or maybe Rili?   How does one tell for certain its Rili and not just poor coloring ? 

 

Oh and what else should I look for when culling these? I have a few younger ones in the main tank now that are all red but not a deep red. They are more transparent and you can see inside them , while with the deep red adults you cant.  For instance with the young females I believe I can see the saddles while in the large adult females in the tank you cant see this. The only way I can discern the females is their shape and size usually. 

 

 

 

Edited July 30, 2016 by Happy-pitbull
Added more info

[Happy-pitbull]

So Im still really curious as to how to tell the difference between a Rili pattern or a shrimp that just hasnt colored up properly and needs culling.... ( see my pics on my last post ) 

[jayc]

22 minutes ago, Happy-pitbull said:

difference between a Rili pattern or a shrimp that just hasnt colored up properly

Hi @Happy-pitbull

that shrimp you have is a  Red Cherry Shrimp (RCS).

It's a lower grade, but certainly no need to cull it yet. If the RCS was see through and had no colour, then you can consider culling. But the ones you have now are ok.

 

A Rilli shrimp will look completely different.

Here is an example of a rilli. (Picture borrow from the net).

 

Notice only the head and very tip of it's tail is coloured, while the mid section is completely see through.

 

[zn30]

I have the opposite with some of my cherries where the Rili pattern is on the head and tail I have some with the pattern in the mid section and clear on the head and tail, I call them my wannabe crystals.

[Happy-pitbull]

@jayc   A red cherry shrimp? Really?  I bought a pure line of bloody marys and those shrimp I posted pics of above are from the bloody marys.  I have no other types in the tank.  Arent bloody marys from the choc. Lineage so how could I get cherries from them? 

These are still young yet, could they just be slow at coloring up? 

Edit-  is there a chance the shop I got them from had regular cherries in with them and they had interbred before being sent to me.... if so I have some major culling to do ?  

 

Edited August 9, 2016 by Happy-pitbull

[jayc]

26 minutes ago, Happy-pitbull said:

 I bought a pure line of bloody marys and those shrimp I posted pics of above are from the bloody marys.

Sorry, Bloody Marys then.  They look very similar.

My point was still valid, no need to cull them just yet. And they are certainly not Rillis.

 

[Happy-pitbull]

2 minutes ago, jayc said:

Sorry, Bloody Marys then.  They look very similar.

My point was still valid, no need to cull them just yet. And they are certainly not Rillis.

 

Oh phew !  Thank you ;)  I moved them to a separate tank for now as I do want my Marys bloody lol !  In culling them I would never kill them, rather Id just move them to another tank out of my main breeding colony. 

Thanks for your help :) 

[revolutionhope]

I've started keeping these recently too and I love them!

I have learnt that Bloody marys are slower to colour up than RCS and also that they require more culling to maintain or improve the line.

Love n peace

Will

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